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    2011-2012 vs. 1999-2000 Squad

    There are many similarities as well as differences between this year's team and the 99-2000 squad.

    1. PF: White vs. Fizer: A strong, dominant presence in the low post. Fizer a better shooter, White a much better ball handler/passer. Fizer was much better on defense and defensive rebounding, an area in which White needs to be more consistent. Almost a wash, though a slight edge to Fizer because of the defensive focus/intensity.

    2. PG: Tinsley vs. Allen/Christopherson: Are you kidding me? Not even a close call as far as running the offense/defense/toughness/smarts. Better outside shooting this year, but that's about it.

    3. OG: Nurse/Horton vs. Babb/McGee: Defensively, about the same as the intensity is equal. Outside shooting also about equal. Horton a bit stronger defender but Babb give a bit more length. I call this a wash.

    4. SF: Johnson vs. Ejim: This is almost a wash as far as defense/rebounding. Intangible players, with Ejim starting to become a decent outside shooter/scorer. About even at this point, though Ejim may surpass.

    5. Center: Rancik/Shirley vs. Booker/Gibson: Rancik and Booker about equal outside shooters, Booker a bit better low-post defender, shot blocker. Shirley much more solid on defense/intangibles.

    Decision making: This year's team, with the glaring exception of Allen's shot selection (30% yesterday, only player below 50%), is starting to improve in this area, especially down the stretch where the Tinsley/Fizer team excelled. I see a much higher ceiling for this year's team as we're not even close to playing to our potential since we haven't played a complete game.

    Prior to yesterday's game, I posted that I was waiting for ALL of our outside shooters to click at the same time, which happened. But, we regressed on defensive rebounding and low-post defense yesterday. I see us continuing to improve in these areas and think we have more room to improve than Kansas/Missouri/Baylor. If we do, we can be at the top of the conference (this without Kool Aid).


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    Re: 2011-2012 vs. 1999-2000 Squad

    Quote Originally Posted by Psiclone View Post
    There are many similarities as well as differences between this year's team and the 99-2000 squad.

    1. PF: White vs. Fizer: A strong, dominant presence in the low post. Fizer a better shooter, White a much better ball handler/passer. Fizer was much better on defense and defensive rebounding, an area in which White needs to be more consistent. Almost a wash, though a slight edge to Fizer because of the defensive focus/intensity.

    2. PG: Tinsley vs. Allen/Christopherson: Are you kidding me? Not even a close call as far as running the offense/defense/toughness/smarts. Better outside shooting this year, but that's about it.

    3. OG: Nurse/Horton vs. Babb/McGee: Defensively, about the same as the intensity is equal. Outside shooting also about equal. Horton a bit stronger defender but Babb give a bit more length. I call this a wash.

    4. SF: Johnson vs. Ejim: This is almost a wash as far as defense/rebounding. Intangible players, with Ejim starting to become a decent outside shooter/scorer. About even at this point, though Ejim may surpass.

    5. Center: Rancik/Shirley vs. Booker/Gibson: Rancik and Booker about equal outside shooters, Booker a bit better low-post defender, shot blocker. Shirley much more solid on defense/intangibles.

    Decision making: This year's team, with the glaring exception of Allen's shot selection (30% yesterday, only player below 50%), is starting to improve in this area, especially down the stretch where the Tinsley/Fizer team excelled. I see a much higher ceiling for this year's team as we're not even close to playing to our potential since we haven't played a complete game.

    Prior to yesterday's game, I posted that I was waiting for ALL of our outside shooters to click at the same time, which happened. But, we regressed on defensive rebounding and low-post defense yesterday. I see us continuing to improve in these areas and think we have more room to improve than Kansas/Missouri/Baylor. If we do, we can be at the top of the conference (this without Kool Aid).
    Strong edte to fizer IMO. White is a great player, but not Not national player of the year candidate like fizer nearly became. maybe next year if he stays, so its tough to compare fizer at a junior to white as a sophomore.



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    Re: 2011-2012 vs. 1999-2000 Squad

    32-5. Big 12 Regular Season and Conference Champs. Elite 8. Would have been Final 4 in any other region.

    That is a lot to live up to, and I'm not sure why we have to compare every team to that team, either. I will be thrilled with this year's team just making the tourney after being out for so long.



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    Re: 2011-2012 vs. 1999-2000 Squad

    They both lost to Drake!



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    Re: 2011-2012 vs. 1999-2000 Squad

    The biggest similarity between the two teams is how the confidence has grown throughout the year. Both teams started shaky and just progressively got better and more confident throughout the year. Much like the 2000 team, this team doesn't care whether we play you at Hilton or at your place. We are a threat to win anytime, anywhere.

    Full disclosure, I declared this team dead after the MVSU near-debacle. I am ready for my well-deserved public stoning.



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    Re: 2011-2012 vs. 1999-2000 Squad

    Quote Originally Posted by Psiclone View Post
    There are many similarities as well as differences between this year's team and the 99-2000 squad.

    1. PF: White vs. Fizer: A strong, dominant presence in the low post. Fizer a better shooter, White a much better ball handler/passer. Fizer was much better on defense and defensive rebounding, an area in which White needs to be more consistent. Almost a wash, though a slight edge to Fizer because of the defensive focus/intensity.
    White is a very good player, but he is not on the same level as Fizer. Fizer was runner up national player of the year who dominated game in and game out. Good enough to also be the 4th overall pick. These two aren't close.

    The 99/00 team was good enough to win a national championship. They lost to eventual national champs Michigan State in the elite 8. A game ISU probably should have won. Any other region and they would have at least been in the final 4. This years team is not national champion caliber. Good enough for the tournament and if put in the right region, could get a couple wins.



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    Re: 2011-2012 vs. 1999-2000 Squad

    White's FT shooting will probably bite us in a critical game.



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    Re: 2011-2012 vs. 1999-2000 Squad

    This year's team does not have a true PG. That team had Jamaal Tinsley, one of the best point guards I've ever seen.
    The comparison of the teams begins and ends there. That is much too large of a gap for this year's team to make up at any other position on the floor.


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    Re: 2011-2012 vs. 1999-2000 Squad

    Quote Originally Posted by ruxCYtable View Post
    The biggest similarity between the two teams is how the confidence has grown throughout the year. Both teams started shaky and just progressively got better and more confident throughout the year. Much like the 2000 team, this team doesn't care whether we play you at Hilton or at your place. We are a threat to win anytime, anywhere.

    Full disclosure, I declared this team dead after the MVSU near-debacle. I am ready for my well-deserved public stoning.
    yeah but the 2000 team was very good by Early December. They lost to Drake and played number 1 ranked Cincinnati close (score does not indicate how close because of free throws at the end) and after that did not lose another game until deep in conference play. Won about 13 in a row until they lost a double overtime game at OU. This team is a long way off from the 2000 team IMO. Plus, that team had an elite pt guard.



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    Re: 2011-2012 vs. 1999-2000 Squad

    Quote Originally Posted by ruxCYtable View Post
    Full disclosure, I declared this team dead after the MVSU near-debacle. I am ready for my well-deserved public stoning.
    I think a lot of people were very worried about this team in december. This team has really come a long way since then.



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    Re: 2011-2012 vs. 1999-2000 Squad

    Quote Originally Posted by Cydkar View Post
    White's FT shooting will probably bite us in a critical game.
    I'd argue it already has.


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    Re: 2011-2012 vs. 1999-2000 Squad

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyhart View Post
    This year's team does not have a true PG. That team had Jamaal Tinsley, one of the best point guards I've ever seen.
    The comparison of the teams begins and ends there. That is much too large of a gap for this year's team to make up at any other position on the floor.
    The only real edge this team has is overall depth, specifically shooting depth.

    99-00 had two elite outside shooters. This team has 4 truly elite 3 point shooters and a 5th who seems to be getting lucky but at some point the % doesn't lie (Booker).

    That said there are so many other areas and those are the only two where this team has an edge.

    The PG play is the biggest contrast obviously. Tinsley came literally off the couch a couple nights ago and flirted with an NBA triple double. Kid was an all time stud in terms of ball handling and court vision.



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    Re: 2011-2012 vs. 1999-2000 Squad

    And now, Royce sweats!



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    Re: 2011-2012 vs. 1999-2000 Squad

    This is an unfair comparison. Perhaps next year, if we get another Tinsley from somewhere, and Royce stays, we would be closer to the 99-00 team.



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    Re: 2011-2012 vs. 1999-2000 Squad

    Quote Originally Posted by gogagig View Post
    This is an unfair comparison. Perhaps next year, if we get another Tinsley from somewhere, and Royce stays, we would be closer to the 99-00 team.
    Royce>Fizer first year
    Royce=Fizer second year
    Royce<Fizer third year (and not close)

    Outside of the top 2 players, this team and next years team could easily have more overall talent than Tinsley's two teams.



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