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    New KenPom Rankings

    ISU has moved up to #34. Loss to Texas doesn't look so bad as KenPom has them at #20. Based purely on his rankings, it would seem that the B12 has a strong case for getting get six teams in the tournament.

    2012 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings

    Rankings for B12 Teams:
    4. KU
    8. MU
    9. Baylor
    20. Texas
    24. KSU
    34. ISU
    76. OU
    112. OSU
    113. aTm
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    Re: New KenPom Rankings

    Wisconsin at #2? Somewhere in the formula it must say "Big 10 +100 pts"



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    Re: New KenPom Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    Wisconsin at #2? Somewhere in the formula it must say "Big 10 +100 pts"
    the kenpom.com blog

    Wisconsin is his "biggest outlier ever"...



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    Re: New KenPom Rankings

    Doesn't losing to Iowa subtract 100 points? He needs to proof his spreadsheet.



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    Re: New KenPom Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrok View Post
    the kenpom.com blog

    Wisconsin is his "biggest outlier ever"...
    Thanks. Didn't really explain what factors were throwing them up that high, but at least there's recognition that it's a flaw.



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    Re: New KenPom Rankings

    Texas #20. Huh.


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    Re: New KenPom Rankings

    What a hack. Sconnie, St. Louis, and Wichita State in the Top 15? Even Texas in no way deserves to be 20th.



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    Re: New KenPom Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    Wisconsin at #2? Somewhere in the formula it must say "Big 10 +100 pts"
    Those points must be deducted from Big East teams--I'm not some BE fanboy, but I'm pretty sure that UConn and Notre Dame should be higher than 40th and 63rd, respectively.



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    Re: New KenPom Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by DistrictCyclone View Post
    What a hack. Sconnie, St. Louis, and Wichita State in the Top 15? Even Texas in no way deserves to be 20th.
    What if I were to tell you a better "Kenpom" type of computer ranking has been around longer and it replaces those rankings with:

    Wisc, #6 instead of #2 (still kind of crazy)
    St. Louis, #23 instead of #14
    Wichita State, #15 instead of #12
    Texas, #30 instead of #20

    Would you agree with the groupthink that Kenpom is the most awesome computer ranking ever if I told you this?



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    Re: New KenPom Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by abcguyks View Post
    ISU has moved up to #34. Loss to Texas doesn't look so bad as KenPom has them at #20. Based purely on his rankings, it would seem that the B12 has a strong case for getting get six teams in the tournament.

    2012 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings

    Rankings for B12 Teams:
    4. KU
    8. MU
    9. Baylor
    20. Texas
    24. KSU
    34. ISU
    76. OU
    112. OSU
    113. aTm
    242. Tech
    Realtime last updated 29 Jan
    RealTimeRPI.com Men's College Basketball Power Ratings - A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet - College Football Ratings
    CU #9 and ISU #49

    Sagarin
    USATODAY.com
    CU #17 and ISU #41

    Kenpom
    http://kenpom.com/
    CU #27 and ISU #34

    I think the latter two polls have margin of victory and defeat cranked into the formula more as we have not been beaten worse than 10 points all season and we have had a couple of good 20 point road victories.

    Someone should take a poll of which poll is best.


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    Re: New KenPom Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by HFCS View Post
    What if I were to tell you a better "Kenpom" type of computer ranking has been around longer and it replaces those rankings with:

    Wisc, #6 instead of #2 (still kind of crazy)
    St. Louis, #23 instead of #14
    Wichita State, #15 instead of #12
    Texas, #30 instead of #20

    Would you agree with the groupthink that Kenpom is the most awesome computer ranking ever if I told you this?
    Sagarin? So, it sounds like this KenPom dude takes an index, makes some minor tweaks, and passes it off as his own in the hopes of becoming the next great college basketball analyst...



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    Re: New KenPom Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by DistrictCyclone View Post
    Sagarin? So, it sounds like this KenPom dude takes an index, makes some minor tweaks, and passes it off as his own in the hopes of becoming the next great college basketball analyst...
    His rankings are only slightly different than Sagarin's predictor component. Sagarin's ELO_CHESS component balances out the crazy parts of that and Kenpom apparently doesn't think his formula needs to. There's a ton of info on his site, but for actually ranking the teams in a logical way, I have no idea why people look to his site as the bible.

    Kenpom said big time losing record Iowa was one spot better than .500 ISU last year (#80 and #81). Sagarin had ISU ahead of Iowa by something like 35 spots but also ranked in the 80s.



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    Re: New KenPom Rankings

    Dont understand how ksu n tex r in front ofus. thats ********



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