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    ESPN top 150 recruits

    I was looking at David Ubben's article about the top 150 recruits evaluations that signed 4 years ago and was amazed at how many flame-outs there were.

    There were 23 players on the list that signed with Big 12 teams. The only ones who did something noteworthy were Blaine Gabbert, Cyrus Gray, David Snow, Emmanuel Acho, Kendall Wright, and Landry Jones. Everyone else basically did nothing. That is 6 guys out of 23 that had a significant contribution. Amazing.

    Checking in on past top Big 12 recruits - Big 12 Blog - ESPN



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    Re: ESPN top 150 recruits

    i think most of us are under the impression that "most of the time" top 150 recruits do better than the rest, but 6/23? Thats pretty weak.

    It looks like ESPN 150 players have a much bigger impact at a less-big-time school ie: baylor, ISU, Kansas, k-state than texas/ou/SEC. They tend to get buried in the depth charts.


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    Re: ESPN top 150 recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by cyman05 View Post
    I was looking at David Ubben's article about the top 150 recruits evaluations that signed 4 years ago and was amazed at how many flame-outs there were.

    There were 23 players on the list that signed with Big 12 teams. The only ones who did something noteworthy were Blaine Gabbert, Cyrus Gray, David Snow, Emmanuel Acho, Kendall Wright, and Landry Jones. Everyone else basically did nothing. That is 6 guys out of 23 that had a significant contribution. Amazing.

    Checking in on past top Big 12 recruits - Big 12 Blog - ESPN

    What a surprise that sitting on the bench behind other 5 star players at Texas, aTm, or Oklahoma won't get you anywhere.
    I realize that the rating system is partially to blame, however a lot of these players would most likely have a significant impact at other schools.



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    Re: ESPN top 150 recruits

    Seems as much as an indictment on ESPN's ability to evaluate and rank players as it is a situation where so many athletes didn't reach their potential.



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    Re: ESPN top 150 recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by cyman05 View Post
    I was looking at David Ubben's article about the top 150 recruits evaluations that signed 4 years ago and was amazed at how many flame-outs there were.

    There were 23 players on the list that signed with Big 12 teams. The only ones who did something noteworthy were Blaine Gabbert, Cyrus Gray, David Snow, Emmanuel Acho, Kendall Wright, and Landry Jones. Everyone else basically did nothing. That is 6 guys out of 23 that had a significant contribution. Amazing.

    Checking in on past top Big 12 recruits - Big 12 Blog - ESPN


    I really appreciate cyman05's follow-up research. I often wonder about what these predictions look like in retrospect. Any analysis like this is very welcome by me.



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    Re: ESPN top 150 recruits

    Look at ESPNs 150 compared to the others. They are way off. In basketball, I think they are fine but in football, they suck.


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    Re: ESPN top 150 recruits

    I'd be interested to know how much talent differential there really is between a 4-3-2 star recruit.

    We all know Texas will have a top notch recruiting class, but how much difference is there between Texas and ISU?

    And how much of football is player development? If you could take some of those guys from the ESPN top 150 from 2008 and transport them to CPR's program this year, how many of their fortunes would've turned out differently getting more playing time and attention than riding the bench at OU?

    It'd be interesting to hear a coach's take on that if anybody wants to ask about talent differential at the recruiting party.



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    Re: ESPN top 150 recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by cyman05 View Post
    I'd be interested to know how much talent differential there really is between a 4-3-2 star recruit.

    We all know Texas will have a top notch recruiting class, but how much difference is there between Texas and ISU?

    And how much of football is player development? If you could take some of those guys from the ESPN top 150 from 2008 and transport them to CPR's program this year, how many of their fortunes would've turned out differently getting more playing time and attention than riding the bench at OU?

    It'd be interesting to hear a coach's take on that if anybody wants to ask about talent differential at the recruiting party.



    I wonder how the star distribution relates to regional attention to football. For instance, do high school kids in Alabama have a better likelihood of being rated with 4 stars than kids of the same caliber in Montana?



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    Re: ESPN top 150 recruits

    Star rankings are based on perceived potential of a player. There is no way to tell if a kid has developmentally peaked at 18 or if he will continue to grow not only as a player but physically. Some of the guys that get the high star rankings are physically peaked, they stand out because the are developmentally men playing against boys.



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    Re: ESPN top 150 recruits

    Also as a warning, there is a chance that a coach might laugh you out of the building if you ask about star ratings.



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    Re: ESPN top 150 recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by CYphyllis View Post
    Star rankings are based on perceived potential of a player. There is no way to tell if a kid has developmentally peaked at 18 or if he will continue to grow not only as a player but physically. Some of the guys that get the high star rankings are physically peaked, they stand out because the are developmentally men playing against boys.

    Interesting comment. I hadn't thought of that, but it makes sense. Early bloomers might rate higher, but also peak early.



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    Re: ESPN top 150 recruits

    Kids get their star ratings based on the rivals camps they go to. They test the hell out of them and look at their film. I bet they aren't too biased on where the kid is from honstly. There just honestly aren't that many immediate talented players coming out of the north.

    I wonder if there can be too many 5-star players on one team. In other words, too many cheifs and not enough Indians. A lot of 5 star or 4 star guys want to be THE guy, and if they aren't, they may tend to get a little standoff ish. They want the attention because they've always gotten it... Now suddenly they are a back up and just don't put the effort into it.



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    Re: ESPN top 150 recruits

    For football, I've always supported our staff and who we get and could care less about rankings. When we get 4 stars, they usually don't stay here long. When we get 1 or 2 stars, they sometimes become impact players. Rankings tell you how good they are now, not what they will improve on, how their grades are, or what their attitude is like on AND off the field. Seriously, at top 15 players brought a weapon to his high school? That is possible NFL caliber throwing their talent away.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCubswin View Post
    For football, I've always supported our staff and who we get and could care less about rankings. When we get 4 stars, they usually don't stay here long. When we get 1 or 2 stars, they sometimes become impact players. Rankings tell you how good they are now, not what they will improve on, how their grades are, or what their attitude is like on AND off the field. Seriously, at top 15 players brought a weapon to his high school? That is possible NFL caliber throwing their talent away.

    Has anybody gone through our roster, especially starters for the last several years, and indicated what their star ratings were? I would find that very interesting.



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    Re: ESPN top 150 recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    Has anybody gone through our roster, especially starters for the last several years, and indicated what their star ratings were? I would find that very interesting.
    They would all be 2 or 3 star recruits. 4 star players on our roster were Darius Reynolds, Chris Young, and Anthony Young. Darius was one of our better players, but he was also the most inconsistent, Chris Young redshirted his first year, didn't play much this year, but he'll get some quality minutes next year, Anthony played a bit his first year, and was injured all of this year.

    5.8-6.0=4 star
    5.5-5.7=3 star
    4.9-5.4=2 star

    QB- Steele 5.6
    Barnett 5.6

    RB- Johnson-5.5
    White-5.5
    Hollis-5.5
    Woody-NR

    WR-Reynolds-5.8
    Darks-5.5
    Lenz-5.2
    Gary-5.2
    West-5.6
    Young-5.8

    TE-Hammerschmidt-4.9
    Howard-5.6
    Branderhorst-NR

    OT-Osemele-5.5
    Burris-5.4
    Lichtenburg-5.5

    OG- Tuftee-5.4
    Hicks-5.4
    Gannon-5.3

    OC-Farniok-5.4

    DT-Rump-5.1
    McDonough-5.5
    Woods-5.4
    Jensen-5.4
    Simon-5.2

    DE-Lattimer-5.5
    Neal-5.4
    Scott-5.2
    Nelson-5.5
    Irving-5.4

    LB-Knott-5.4
    Klein-5.5
    Matt T.-5.5
    Morgan-5.4

    CB-Johnson-5.5
    Reeves-5.1
    Watson-5.3

    S-Benton-5.5
    Washington-5.2
    Broomfield-5.2
    Givens-5.6
    Brackens-5.5

    Past-Arnaud-5.7
    Arob-5.5
    David Sims-5.4
    Collin Franklin-5.0
    Lamaak-5.2
    Reggie Stephens-5.5
    Marquis Hamilton-5.4
    Tim Dobbins-2 star
    RJ Sumrall-5.0
    LaMarcus Hicks-2 star
    Berryman-3 star
    Meyer-3 star
    Blythe-3 star
    Brent Curvey-2 star
    Deandre Jackson-3 star
    We haven't had a HS 4 star recruit stay all 4 years since Austin Flynn and Stevie Hicks.


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