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    Afghanistan

    What should the commitment be to Afghanistan?

    A number of Democrats that favor large troop reductions in Iraq are calling for more forces in Afghanistan.



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    Re: Afghanistan

    Politicians are two faced? That is unpossible.


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    Re: Afghanistan

    Anymore it seems as if one party is for something, the other is automatically against it, even if they used to support the same idea.



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    Re: Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by alaskaguy View Post
    What should the commitment be to Afghanistan?

    A number of Democrats that favor large troop reductions in Iraq are calling for more forces in Afghanistan.
    Those goofy b$stards are just being contrary.



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    Re: Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    Those goofy b$stards are just being contrary.
    Who most likely commands the terrorist group that attacked the WTC? Bin Laden

    Where does he probably live? Afghanistan

    Has he been captured yet? No

    Is he still spouting off propaganda and causing unrest? Yes

    Where are many terrorists trained? Afghanistan

    Maybe those "goofy b$stards" have actually figured out a root cause for the terrorist problem and are trying to deal with it...


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    Re: Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by brianhos View Post
    Politicians are two faced? That is unpossible.
    Well, I don't think this position is inherently two-faced. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are largely unrelated, and Afghanistan/Pakistan is where Al-Qaeda is still holed up. There is thus a rational argument to be made for increasing troop levels in Afghanistan while decreasing them in Iraq.

    Are the democrats in congress making such a rational decision? Probably, not. It is probably more of a political calculation to show that they're "tough on terrorism".



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    Re: Afghanistan

    Actually, Afghanistan is the biggest contradiction in the GWOT, if you ask me. Bin Laden lives somewhere near there (probably Pakistan), so we continue to beat the dog (Afghanistan) because Gramma farts. The problem is, we cannot invade Pakistan, because they are a "friendly" country (as in the guy who broke into your neighbor's house is "friendly" because he didn't break into yours).

    We could commit the entire US GDP to "rebuilding" Afghanistan, and it would still be a sh*thole pile of rocks good for nothing but developing really good guerilla fighters.



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    Re: Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    Who most likely commands the terrorist group that attacked the WTC? Bin Laden

    Where does he probably live? Afghanistan

    Has he been captured yet? No

    Is he still spouting off propaganda and causing unrest? Yes

    Where are many terrorists trained? Afghanistan

    Maybe those "goofy b$stards" have actually figured out a root cause for the terrorist problem and are trying to deal with it...
    Don't tell anyone, but that was a joke.

    This argument does take a little of the shine off of that whole "get our troops out of harms way" though. Large conventional forces don't do a heck of a lot in the search for Bin Laden, or other leaders. I believe they are using small specials ops forces to locate targets, and larger strike forces like the Rangers are used to eliminate the target. I think we have somewhere in the neighborhood of 18,000 troops there right now, which is probably enough, though I will admit that the more special ops units available, the better.



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    Re: Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by herbiedoobie View Post
    Actually, Afghanistan is the biggest contradiction in the GWOT, if you ask me. Bin Laden lives somewhere near there (probably Pakistan), so we continue to beat the dog (Afghanistan) because Gramma farts. The problem is, we cannot invade Pakistan, because they are a "friendly" country (as in the guy who broke into your neighbor's house is "friendly" because he didn't break into yours).

    We could commit the entire US GDP to "rebuilding" Afghanistan, and it would still be a sh*thole pile of rocks good for nothing but developing really good guerilla fighters.
    We don't deal with Al-Qaeda in Pakistan because we are afraid of the consequences of doing so. Pakistan may be ruled by a dictator now, but the outcome of that dictator falling may be Islamic state with nuclear power that is closely aligned with Al-Qaeda and their cohorts. It is actually very similar to Iraq in the 80s. Yes, Saddam was a dictator, but he was a dictator on our side that provided a buffer to Iran.



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    Re: Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by iceclone View Post
    We don't deal with Al-Qaeda in Pakistan because we are afraid of the consequences of doing so. Pakistan may be ruled by a dictator now, but the outcome of that dictator falling may be Islamic state with nuclear power that is closely aligned with Al-Qaeda and their cohorts. It is actually very similar to Iraq in the 80s. Yes, Saddam was a dictator, but he was a dictator on our side that provided a buffer to Iran.
    I am convinced that Musharraf does allow US special forces to operate in Pakistan to a small degree. Noone will admit it, because it could be enough to bring him down.



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    Re: Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    I am convinced that Musharraf does allow US special forces to operate in Pakistan to a small degree. Noone will admit it, because it could be enough to bring him down.
    I agree. It is in his own best interests for Al-Qaeda to be defeated.



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