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    History and QB Issues

    ISU had a run of 3 QB's that went on to the NFL. Meyer wasn't there for long, but made it just the same.

    Since that time we really have had a hard time finding that QB that can make a difference in the win column. There have been so many great QBs in this conference, why is ISU struggling to find a QB who we can at least market as average?



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    Re: History and QB Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by jaretac View Post
    ISU had a run of 3 QB's that went on to the NFL. Meyer wasn't there for long, but made it just the same.

    Since that time we really have had a hard time finding that QB that can make a difference in the win column. There have been so many great QBs in this conference, why is ISU struggling to find a QB who we can at least market as average?
    Those QB's also had WR's to throw to who made it to the NLF, coincidence? I think not.



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    Re: History and QB Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigguns View Post
    Those QB's also had WR's to throw to who made it to the NLF, coincidence? I think not.
    Those QB's could also throw the ball. I think if anything is a coincidence it is that Mac's system was more of a Pro style that is good for developing NFL QB's.

    Still, despite the drops, how many bad mistakes have we seen from our QB's?



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    Re: History and QB Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by jaretac View Post
    Those QB's could also throw the ball. I think if anything is a coincidence it is that Mac's system was more of a Pro style that is good for developing NFL QB's.

    Still, despite the drops, how many bad mistakes have we seen from our QB's?
    I think since Seneca we have been enamored with QB's that can run. We try to take those guys and teach them to throw and be great QB's. We need a QB that can thow it great, and make good decisions. If he can run a little, that is a bonus.

    To use a basketball analogy, it is like trying to take a great athlete with highlight reel dunks, but who can't dribble or pass that well and asking him to play point guard.

    In our current offense, we need a Chase Daniel, Todd Reesing type of player. We need to pick a style of offense, then recruit the same type of Quarterback every year.



    We need a QB that can throw it and make good decisions. Anything we get running is a bonus.



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    Re: History and QB Issues

    I've been asking myself over and over, what would the 2011 record have been with Sage Rosenfels as the quarterback?



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    Re: History and QB Issues

    i'll probably get slammed for this, but james vandenberg throws a great and accurate ball.



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    Re: History and QB Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by dualthreat View Post
    i'll probably get slammed for this, but james vandenberg throws a great and accurate ball.
    Absolutely. Pretty good pocket movement as well to help the Oline. I hope the next OC utilizes some play action to burn teams.



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    Re: History and QB Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by dualthreat View Post
    i'll probably get slammed for this, but james vandenberg throws a great and accurate ball.
    I agree, especially when they go to the hurry-up offense. He is a rhythm thrower, and he looks pretty good doing it. He seems like a better match for our offense than Iowa's, though I doubt we could run the zone read with him - he's not a big running threat.

    Bottom line is we need a QB who will put the ball in the receivers' hands. The guy who does that will win football games. Lots of other pieces are in place for us to be a solid middle-of-the-conference team for a couple years.


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    Re: History and QB Issues

    I never understood why Iowa doesn't run a no huddle offense. Whenever they go no huddle, JVB finds his groove and hits his passes. When they slow it down he looks like ****. Another thing that bothers me is that he always has that "deer in headlights" look on his face.


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    Re: History and QB Issues

    A lot of people on here beat the WR drop drum all the time, which I agree is a major issue with this team. That being said, drops even happen in the NFL... just not usually with the frequency that we see them with the Clones. Roddy White, Terrell Owens, and other top tier receivers have been known to drop catchable balls. No doubt, we need to get better with our receiving core, but I believe that will happen with new recruits and the existing receivers on our roster.

    My bigger concern is QB accuracy. I really believe that SJ and JB won't be able to improve their accuracy significantly. While good coaching, the QB gaining reps/experience and hard work by the QB can improve their defense reading ability, their progression checks & decision making process, trying to get a QB to improve their throwing accuracy is a whole different story.

    When accuracy problems are not attributable to poor decision making but purely on the QB's throwing mechanics, velocity, release and natural ability, it is a little like teaching speed... you can only teach so much. Natural ability wins out.

    Tim Tebow is a prime example of this. The guy has some good size and strength. He is a natural leader. He has probably worked as hard as anyone can to improve his throwing mechanics and accuracy to make it in the NFL as a QB, but it is obvious if you watch his mechanics and throwing ability he is never going to be able to throw the ball with the accuracy of Aaron Rogers, Kurt Warner or even Kyle Orton & Sage Rosenfels.

    There is a big difference between guys that throw picks because of poor decision making versus guys that can't throw the ball consistently with accuracy.

    We have seen JB and SJ both make some big plays that get us excited about their potential, but overall I don't feel either one of them has the accuracy that our team needs to consistently beat teams in the Big 12.

    I don't consider myself a fan that always thinks the QB that isn't playing is better than the guy starting, but in this case I hope that SR or GR have some potential to help out the team starting next year.



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    Re: History and QB Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by dualthreat View Post
    i'll probably get slammed for this, but james vandenberg throws a great and accurate ball.
    Chuckle, yeah, I remember the ISU/Iowa game where he threw duck after duck and couldn't believe ISU hadn't picked him several times.

    Vandenburg is not a great passer. He is average. One of his first passes went right into the belly of a linebacker yesterday.

    ISU doesn't have a good passing quarterback right now, but lets not get crazy with the overhyping of Vandenburg.



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    Re: History and QB Issues

    We need a qb that can run because our oline can only pass block for two seconds.



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    Re: History and QB Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by jaretac View Post
    ISU had a run of 3 QB's that went on to the NFL. Meyer wasn't there for long, but made it just the same.

    Since that time we really have had a hard time finding that QB that can make a difference in the win column. There have been so many great QBs in this conference, why is ISU struggling to find a QB who we can at least market as average?
    This is a bizarre post. The only QB we've had between then and now set several all-time passing records and led us to our last bowl win. Barnett played well this year and led ISU to two of the biggest victories in school history.

    I'm really struggling why everyone is SO down on our QB situation. JB played poorly for a quarter and a half as a FRESHMAN playing in his first bowl game. I thought CPR was too quick with the trigger, but whatever... Sage never sniffed the field as a freshman. Seneca was in JUCO after no D1 QB offers. JB has tremendous upside and supposedly Richardson is all that and a bag of chips.



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    Re: History and QB Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by MaccloNe View Post
    We need a qb that can run because our oline can only pass block for two seconds....
    ...due to all the pressure defenses can bring because our passing game is inept. Vicious cycle, but one even McFarland struggled less with.



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    Re: History and QB Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthJerseyCy View Post
    This is a bizarre post. The only QB we've had between then and now set several all-time passing records and led us to our last bowl win. Barnett played well this year and led ISU to two of the biggest victories in school history.

    I'm really struggling why everyone is SO down on our QB situation. JB played poorly for a quarter and a half as a FRESHMAN playing in his first bowl game. I thought CPR was too quick with the trigger, but whatever... Sage never sniffed the field as a freshman. Seneca was in JUCO after no D1 QB offers. JB has tremendous upside and supposedly Richardson is all that and a bag of chips.
    AA never even caught a smell of the NFL. AA broke records because the Big 12 had lousy defenses, not because he was an exceptional QB. When it comes to the Big 12, AA was below average and there was no one to push him. Even now, we don't have anyone who even comes close to average in our conference.

    In AA's best statistical season, 2008, he threw for 2,792 yards to finish 9th in the Big 12 that season. He had 61.6 completion % (a school record) which ranked him 8th in the Big 12. His 15 TD that season was last in the Big 12 and he was tied for the 3rd most INTs that season in the Big 12. In 2009: AA's yardage ranked 8th, his completion % ranked 10th, his TD ranked 9th and his INTs ranked 11th (2nd most.). In 2010: AA's yardage ranked 8th, his completion % was 8th, his TDs was 8th, his INTs ranked 6th.

    I liked AA. He was a great leader for his team and a great Cyclone, but he was not a great QB. I would not say for a minute that he was better than Meyer and no one even else even pushed him. We have brought in a lot of bad QBs over tha past 6 years.



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