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    Blocking scheme question

    Does the OC or the Oline coach design the blocking schemes? I think we have a talanted line but they fail to get holes opened up for backs and they cannot pass block to save their life. Iowa's line isn't as talented as ISU's yet they pass block like crazy and
    make any RB look better than they really are. There are times when this line looks great but more often than not they look confused.


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    Re: Blocking scheme question

    Some of it depends on the strengths of the o-line. KO's strength definitely is run blocking, not pass blocking. None of them adjusted for those blitzes, and guys were coming free all over the place. That's on both coaches, too. We'll recover and be better next year. Go State!



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    Re: Blocking scheme question

    I think the spread offense can work, but it looks to me like we have road grader type O-Lines. I think we would have been better running the I, taking the snap under center, and running downhill all year.

    It seems like the teams with great success in the spread have smaller, faster lineman. Our guys are all 330+, except Farniok, and our plays are so slow developing I think it is hard for them to hold block. Would rather see them coming off the ball hard instead of basically pass-blocking all day.



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    Re: Blocking scheme question

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    Does the OC or the Oline coach design the blocking schemes? I think we have a talanted line but they fail to get holes opened up for backs and they cannot pass block to save their life. Iowa's line isn't as talented as ISU's yet they pass block like crazy and make any RB look better than they really are. There are times when this line looks great but more often than not they look confused.
    Very cursory view imo.
    Looking at the whole season, the line did very well considering ISU has a poor passing game. ISU was 35th in the nation in rushing offense (4.27 yards/carry), but 74th in passing (5.7 per attempt).

    I only saw Iowa play (ex)Big 12 teams (ISU, OU, and NU), but they did not look any better to me. What did look better was their QB's arm, and at times movement in the pocket. The defense had to stay honest. ISU had more yards, and a better yards/carry against OU than did Iowa.

    Iowa's numbers: 77th rushing (4.11 yards/carry), 57th (7.73 per attempt).


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    Re: Blocking scheme question

    Quote Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY View Post
    Very cursory view imo.
    Looking at the whole season, the line did very well considering ISU has a poor passing game. ISU was 35th in the nation in rushing offense (4.27 yards/carry), but 74th in passing (5.7 per attempt).

    I only saw Iowa play (ex)Big 12 teams (ISU, OU, and NU), but they did not look any better to me. What did look better was their QB's arm, and at times movement in the pocket. The defense had to stay honest.
    Iowa's numbers: 77th rushing (4.11 yards/carry), 57th (7.73 per attempt).
    It just seems we struggle to run the ball at times. The pass rush doesnt give the QBs much time to throw.


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    Re: Blocking scheme question

    Basically in the zone read the Center makes the call. He'll identify the middle man on the D and the rest of the O will get their assignment from that call.

    I think the comparison to Iowa partially based on the back. Coker is a smaller quicker version of Woody. Hopefully much like Standard. Iowa can grind you out while State is more likely to hit the Home Run.


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    Re: Blocking scheme question

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    It just seems we struggle to run the ball at times. The pass rush doesnt give the QBs much time to throw.
    I disagree. Certainly they did as better than Iowa's.
    Give this Oline Iowa's passing game (WR and QB), play-action, and vertical passing and it would look a heck of a lot better. We gave teams no reason to not come after us on defense- that makes it harder on the Oline (and for a already struggling QB).



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    Re: Blocking scheme question

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyforce View Post
    Basically in the zone read the Center makes the call. He'll identify the middle man on the D and the rest of the O will get their assignment from that call.

    I think the comparison to Iowa partially based on the back. Coker is a smaller quicker version of Woody. Hopefully much like Standard. Iowa can grind you out while State is more likely to hit the Home Run.
    I was referring to the back they started last night.


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    Re: Blocking scheme question

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    I disagree. Certainly they did as better than Iowa's.
    Give this Oline Iowa's passing game (WR and QB), play-action, and vertical passing and it would look a heck of a lot better. We gave teams no reason to not come after us on defense- that makes it harder on the Oline (and for a already struggling QB).
    How dare you pose a what if question (what if ISU had Iowa's passing game?)...


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    Re: Blocking scheme question

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    I disagree. Certainly they did as better than Iowa's.
    Give this Oline Iowa's passing game (WR and QB), play-action, and vertical passing and it would look a heck of a lot better. We gave teams no reason to not come after us on defense- that makes it harder on the Oline (and for a already struggling QB).
    I agree. But it seems some thing is lacking. No 1000 yard rusher. Not many 100 yard games. Maybe the way the team lines up gives something away.


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    Re: Blocking scheme question

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    I agree. But it seems some thing is lacking. No 1000 yard rusher. Not many 100 yard games. Maybe the way the team lines up gives something away.

    It's our inability to pass. Whether it be poor throws or dropped passes. We have improved in our running game, having 3-4 backs carrying will also lead to no 100 or 1000 yarder. If you hold on to our passes and become more accurate will help everything. Teams don't need to double any wide outs and can leave an extra guy or two to cover our run.



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    Re: Blocking scheme question

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    I was referring to the back they started last night.
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    Re: Blocking scheme question

    Our receivers are not a threat, so the defense can afford to send an extra guy at the quarterback. And when they did play zone coverage, the were still able to overload one size of the line. A couple of times their ends took our tackles out wide and/or got them very deep, setting up a 3-to-block-4 situation for the guards and center which resulted in pressure up the middle. KO and Hicks have been the two guys who've drawn the most false starts all season. They're also our biggest guys and most likely to have a hard time staying in front of speed rushers.

    And it doesn't matter if we run the ball with "road graders" when the defense is sending so much pressure and we run the ball right into that pressure. It seemed like almost every play they blitzed right to the gap we were running at. I recall one zone we ran where the DE clearly was playing the RB, and a DB was blitzing and would have blown up the QB if he kept it. That play was absolutely dead from the get go without the QB having the ability to change the play, or without having a second read built in.

    Basically I think that our o-line was and has been competent, but our playcalling hasn't helped them out against some teams. Also, our playcalling would have been more effective had we properly executed the good calls that were open rather than throwing incomplete passes.


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    Re: Blocking scheme question

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    I agree. But it seems some thing is lacking. No 1000 yard rusher. Not many 100 yard games. Maybe the way the team lines up gives something away.
    Ahh, guys, in case you did not notice, we use a RB by committee.
    White led us with 150 carries. Since you are so found of Iowa, Coker almost had that many carries MORE than White (280).


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