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    SCHIP

    What are your opinions on Bush's veto of the legislation to expand the the SCHIP program?

    My personal views are that the expansion was not warranted. SCHIP has grown well beyond its original purpose of providing health insurance to children unable to obtain private insurance but too affluent to qualify for Medicaid.

    Expansion of the SCHIP is fiscally unwise. Furthermore, expansion of SCHIP does not appear to be one of the more effective methods to improve the health of the targeted children.



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    Re: SCHIP

    I personally think this program, or another to replace it, should cover all children who don't have insurance. To me, it is unconscionable to penalize a child by denying them health care merely because their parents can't or won't provide for them. It's not like these children can just go get insurance for themselves.

    To be clear, this program as expanded still only provides health insurance to children without private insurance up to 3x the poverty level (depending on family size). At it's 10 year cost is around a month of the Iraq war. I think the cost is well worth the benefits.



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    Re: SCHIP

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    I personally think this program, or another to replace it, should cover all children who don't have insurance. To me, it is unconscionable to penalize a child by denying them health care merely because their parents can't or won't provide for them. It's not like these children can just go get insurance for themselves.

    To be clear, this program as expanded still only provides health insurance to children without private insurance up to 3x the poverty level (depending on family size). At it's 10 year cost is around a month of the Iraq war. I think the cost is well worth the benefits.
    I am not willing to subsidize the insurance for the kids of people who make as much as me, but don't feel inclined to be responsible for their children's health insurance. Sorry, $83,000 is not low income, and not even close. Live in a slightly smaller house, buy the Honda instead of the Lexus, and be responsible for your own d*mn kids.



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    Re: SCHIP

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    I am not willing to subsidize the insurance for the kids of people who make as much as me, but don't feel inclined to be responsible for their children's health insurance. Sorry, $83,000 is not low income, and not even close. Live in a slightly smaller house, but the Honda instead of the Lexus, and be responsible for your own d*mn kids.
    But it's the kids that suffer. You are OK with that?

    And the only people making $80,000 that would be eligible are in very expensive areas (think NYC) and have a big family.

    I understand there are those who think everyone should fend for themselves, and want to completely remove Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, and I would expect those to take the "screw the kids too" approach. But if you think the government should be providing any benefits to the citizenry, I think that children's health and education should be the top priority.



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    Re: SCHIP

    Since when is the US government responsible for healthcare? Where is this in the Constitution? Programs such as this are is just incremental steps towards the socialist society that most of our Democratic leaders would love to see in place.



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    Re: SCHIP

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    But it's the kids that suffer. You are OK with that?

    And the only people making $80,000 that would be eligible are in very expensive areas (think NYC) and have a big family.

    I understand there are those who think everyone should fend for themselves, and want to completely remove Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, and I would expect those to take the "screw the kids too" approach. But if you think the government should be providing any benefits to the citizenry, I think that children's health and education should be the top priority.
    I'm sorry, but it's not screw the kids, it's called making people responsible for themselves. There are people out there who would not take this handout even if they were more than eligible. And then there are the losers who would take it even if they didn't. You cannot legislate parenting, and if someone is not inclined to buy health insurance when they are making that kind of money, then they are probably not inclined to take the kids to the doctor, even if it's free.

    Sooner or later, if the government is in control of health care, then everything you do will be political fair game. Too many children? Not covered. Fat? Sorry, fat related diseases not covered. Smoker? Hahahahahahaha




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    Re: SCHIP

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    But it's the kids that suffer. You are OK with that?

    And the only people making $80,000 that would be eligible are in very expensive areas (think NYC) and have a big family.

    I understand there are those who think everyone should fend for themselves, and want to completely remove Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, and I would expect those to take the "screw the kids too" approach. But if you think the government should be providing any benefits to the citizenry, I think that children's health and education should be the top priority.
    It seems as though you have an answer to your question and really aren't interested in what others think. Let me ask you a question: is it the taxpayers job to provide prescription drug benefits to those on Medicare?

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    Taxpayers should NOT be paying prescription benefits to those on Medicare.

    What ever happened to personal responsibility in this country? Why do people think that someone else should take care of them and pay their way?



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    Re: SCHIP

    Why can't people evaluate the merits of a program without always bringing up the Iraq War? I am a critic of the Iraq War myself. Nevertheless, my disgust with the Iraqi War doesn't carry over into how I evaluate unrelated governmental programs.

    The problem with expanding the program is that it forces taxpayers to finance health insurance for many families who are capable of obtaining it themselves. I'm just not that excited about covering people with another expansion of government services who don't need charity.

    I also think that a lot more emphasis needs to go towards those factors that contribute to poor health, such as poverty, educational levels, and nutrition.

    A better strategy might be to use deregulation to make insurance more affordable.

    The only part of the debate that favoring expanding SCHIP that I agree with is the funding source; increasing federal cigarette taxes.



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    Re: SCHIP

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    But it's the kids that suffer. You are OK with that?

    And the only people making $80,000 that would be eligible are in very expensive areas (think NYC) and have a big family.

    I understand there are those who think everyone should fend for themselves, and want to completely remove Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, and I would expect those to take the "screw the kids too" approach. But if you think the government should be providing any benefits to the citizenry, I think that children's health and education should be the top priority.
    This program would encourage many parents who already have insurance to cancel their kids and enroll them in this. The estimates of the cost as with almost every gov't program are completely bogus, and this would quickly turn in to a huge boondoggle.

    I understand the attraction of the "it's for the kids" argument. The problem is, unless you are prepared to accept a full socialist country and government control of child care, there will always be children that suffer from bad parenting. It's unfortunate, but to me the solution is worse then the problem.



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    Re: SCHIP

    Steve King has it exactly right. This is just a piece meal way of slipping through the start of a national health care system. I'm sorry, but if you like socialism, then I would submit that you don't understand the implications of socialism.



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    Re: SCHIP

    Another downside of the program is that it creates disincentives for families to increase their earnings. As a families income rises, the family pays higher taxes and loses Medicaid, SCHIP, and other government benefits. The combination of all of these factors frequently means that when a family increases its earnings, its net income stays stagnant. SCHIP actually creates marginal tax rates than can exceed 100%. What a great incentive to work more or get a higher paying job, huh? Expanding SCHIP only magnifies the disincentives to increase earnings in what economists call the "low wage trap."



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    Re: SCHIP

    Those that favor the expansion of SCHIP probably do so because they believe it increases the quality of health care and believe it is the government's responsiblity to to finance and CONTROL the delivery of health care. Expanding SCHIP serves the goal of going down the path of enrolling all Americans in government health care programs.



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    Re: SCHIP

    Quote Originally Posted by alaskaguy View Post

    The only part of the debate that favoring expanding SCHIP that I agree with is the funding source; increasing federal cigarette taxes.
    Fat people will cost the national health care system way more than smokers. Shall we tax food that contributes to this? Let's see, what other lifestyle choices do I not agree with? Hmmmm..... This is what socialized health care leads to.



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    Re: SCHIP

    Regardless of income, if they choose not to feed their kids we take the kids away. So if health insurance (not health care) is that important then if they won't buy it but choose to drive expensive cars and buy big houses, on $83k then take the kids away. Then throw the bastards in jail and let them rot in there till the jail falls down on them, then throw them in another jail until that jail falls on them....


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