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    ACC and SEC are at 14 now..if we go that way...here's how I hope it sets up.

    A couple "speculative" criteria first:

    1) With the Pac 12/Big 10 alliance, I believe Notre Dame may be pressured into joining the Big 12 (hoping might be a better word...but I'm going with it).

    2) A couple of guiding principles. Unbalanced as it POTENTIALLY is, Texas-Oklahoma-Notre Dame will WANT to be in the same division...will in fact, insist upon it.

    3) With the addition of ND, the Big 12 can take a "chance" on upgrading Tulane and bringing them aboard as a strong academic institution...and as an inroad into SEC country.

    4) Adding South Florida...or perhaps UCF...enhances recruiting in Florida for the conference AND potentially brings a lot of Florida TV's.

    5) Guaranteed rivalries are a must in any cross-conference setups.

    All that considered, here goes:



    Blue Collar Division

    West Virginia
    Louisville
    TCU
    Iowa State
    Kansas
    Kansas State
    Oklahoma State


    Mid-America Division

    Notre Dame
    Oklahoma
    Texas
    Texas Tech
    Baylor
    South Florida
    Tulane


    Guaranteed Rival games:

    West Virginia-Notre Dame
    Louisville-Texas Tech
    TCU-Tulane
    Iowa State-South Florida
    Kansas- Baylor
    Kansas State-Texas
    Oklahoma State-Oklahoma


    For the heckuvit...here's a projected schedule for ND...includes a 9 game conference slate...necessary with 14 teams, I think. It shows that they can play a very "Notre Dame-like" schedule with some very big "national" type games:


    Notre Dame Schedule

    Michigan
    at Stanford
    Navy
    Oklahoma
    at Texas
    Texas Tech
    Baylor
    at South Florida
    Tulane
    at West Virginia
    at Louisville
    Kansas State


    Another advantage to this setup...if we get to 14 we could set up a similar Big 12/ACC challenge format to counter the media impact of the B1G/Pac12 setup.


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    Re: ACC and SEC are at 14 now..if we go that way...here's how I hope it sets up.

    Going to 14 in this scenario would just dilute the money pool even more, and ND wont come in if that happens. ND could defiantly sustain itself in the Big 12, but Louisville, Tulane, South Florida and Cincinnati pretty much don't bring in enough cash to make it worth the Big 12's while. If the Big 12 would ever get ND, I would think they would add a 12th team and be done. No reason to go to 14.


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    Re: ACC and SEC are at 14 now..if we go that way...here's how I hope it sets up.

    Why is South Florida our rival?



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    Re: ACC and SEC are at 14 now..if we go that way...here's how I hope it sets up.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    Going to 14 in this scenario would just dilute the money pool even more. ND could defiantly sustain itself and the Big 12, but Louisville, Tulane, South Florida and Cincinnati pretty much don't bring in enough cash to make it worth the Big 12's while If the Big 12 would ever get ND, I would think they would add a 12th team and be done. No reason to go to 14.
    Big 12 will go to 12/14 with a renegotiated/new TV deal. It will be worked into that contract (probably insisted upon by the TV network).


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    Re: ACC and SEC are at 14 now..if we go that way...here's how I hope it sets up.

    Quote Originally Posted by 3TrueFans View Post
    Why is South Florida our rival?
    Retirees? Old home vs. new home?


    That whole mashup doesn't do much for me. It takes the teams that are barely major conference now and says "Hey, be a barely major-conference team in our conference."


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    Re: ACC and SEC are at 14 now..if we go that way...here's how I hope it sets up.

    Quote Originally Posted by 3TrueFans View Post
    Why is South Florida our rival?
    Well...for one...that's a heavy/fertile recruiting ground for us so would be a nice supplement to our efforts there. Two, they are a program we can beat more than we lose to...makes sense to me but I'm certainly open to any number of ideas/scenarios.

    As mentioned by jdogg....now is the time to think 14 and to have that number built into the next TV deal...so as NOT to dilute the payouts but rather, to enhance them. The Big 12 will be having meetings next month dealing with this very subject...though I doubt any decisions will be made so quickly...but they may start moving on some of these expansion ideas...hopefully.

    Fixed an error...no Cincinnati in a 14 team scenario (this one anyway). Forgot about TCU.


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    Re: ACC and SEC are at 14 now..if we go that way...here's how I hope it sets up.

    Why does everyone have such a hard on for Tulane? I can't wait to see these 14 team models fail. I think 12 is the perfect number. Let's worry about our 9-10 teams sticking together a while first. We can have Louisville/Cincy/BYU whenever we want.




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    Re: ACC and SEC are at 14 now..if we go that way...here's how I hope it sets up.

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    Big 12 will go to 12/14 with a renegotiated/new TV deal. It will be worked into that contract (probably insisted upon by the TV network).
    I don't think there is any question that ABC will want the Big 12 to be 12 teams, but there is no reason to require 14, especially if ND is in the conference.



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    Re: ACC and SEC are at 14 now..if we go that way...here's how I hope it sets up.

    Needs to be on mega thread.



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    Re: ACC and SEC are at 14 now..if we go that way...here's how I hope it sets up.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    Going to 14 in this scenario would just dilute the money pool even more. If the Big 12 would ever get ND, I would think they would add a 12th team and be done. No reason to go to 14.
    Agreed. A Notre Dame/Louisville combination would make for a solid conference at 12. No need to go to 14 if ND is #12, unless a too good to be true opportunity comes along (like Kentucky & Arkansas, or FSU+1).



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    Re: ACC and SEC are at 14 now..if we go that way...here's how I hope it sets up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesaclone1 View Post
    Well...for one...that's a heavy/fertile recruiting ground for us so would be a nice supplement to our efforts there. Two, they are a program we can beat more than we lose to...makes sense to me but I'm certainly open to any number of ideas/scenarios.
    So you're looking for a rival that's beatable instead of a traditional sort of rival? Basically just a win with a fake rivalry name attached to it?


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    Re: ACC and SEC are at 14 now..if we go that way...here's how I hope it sets up.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    I don't think there is any question that ABC will want the Big 12 to be 12 teams, but there is no reason to require 14, especially if ND is in the conference.
    Granted. I even prefer 12 to 14. Just saying for argument's sake...


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    Re: ACC and SEC are at 14 now..if we go that way...here's how I hope it sets up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesaclone1 View Post
    A couple "speculative" criteria first:

    1) With the Pac 12/Big 10 alliance, I believe Notre Dame may be pressured into joining the Big 12 (hoping might be a better word...but I'm going with it).

    2) A couple of guiding principles. Unbalanced as it POTENTIALLY is, Texas-Oklahoma-Notre Dame will WANT to be in the same division...will in fact, insist upon it.

    3) With the addition of ND, the Big 12 can take a "chance" on upgrading Tulane and bringing them aboard as a strong academic institution...and as an inroad into SEC country.

    4) Adding South Florida...or perhaps UCF...enhances recruiting in Florida for the conference AND potentially brings a lot of Florida TV's.

    5) Guaranteed rivalries are a must in any cross-conference setups.

    All that considered, here goes:



    Blue Collar Division

    West Virginia
    Louisville
    Cincinnati
    Iowa State
    Kansas
    Kansas State
    Oklahoma State


    Mid-America Division

    Notre Dame
    Oklahoma
    Texas
    Texas Tech
    Baylor
    South Florida
    Tulane


    Guaranteed Rival games:

    West Virginia-Notre Dame
    Louisville-Texas Tech
    Cincinnati-Tulane
    Iowa State-South Florida
    Kansas- Baylor
    Kansas State-Texas
    Oklahoma State-Oklahoma


    For the heckuvit...here's a projected schedule for ND...includes a 9 game conference slate...necessary with 14 teams, I think. It shows that they can play a very "Notre Dame-like" schedule with some very big "national" type games:


    Notre Dame Schedule

    Michigan
    at Stanford
    Navy
    Oklahoma
    at Texas
    Texas Tech
    Baylor
    at South Florida
    Tulane
    at West Virginia
    at Louisville
    Kansas State


    Another advantage to this setup...if we get to 14 we could set up a similar Big 12/ACC challenge format to counter the media impact of the B1G/Pac12 setup.
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    Re: ACC and SEC are at 14 now..if we go that way...here's how I hope it sets up.

    In terms of a Big 12/ACC challenge, it's probably more natural for the ACC to do this with the SEC. Same basic region (with a couple of outliers), and both will have 14 lined up already.


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    Re: ACC and SEC are at 14 now..if we go that way...here's how I hope it sets up.

    I'd throw up at that scenario. The idea of adding South Florida or UCF to get into the "fertile recruiting grounds of Florida" is a damn joke. ISU already recruits Florida and doesn't do a bad job of it, you don't need some also-rans from the state to get that taken care of.

    I don't really see any reason to go to 12 unless ND is involved. You could make a case for the likes of a Louisville/Cincy combo, but is it really worth it? Unless there is heavy pressure to get to 12, I don't really see any reason to expand unless ND is on board.

    Going to 14 by adding USF and Tulane? The hell?



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