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    Lack on instate talent

    Hear this all the time from ISU and IA fans. "The state just doesn't produce enough D1 talent."
    What do you guys think this can be attributed to? Genes? Small schools so kids don't specialize in fb? Lack of competition? Lack of development in HS (Coaching)?
    Is it possible there is more D1 talent inside the state, but the perception is FB player from south > FB player from IA with similar ability?
    I have to think there are even some guys at UNI that we would take. Maybe not a ton, but a few. There have been several D1 players that have left the state in the last few years that didn't get a sniff from IA or ISU. Maybe they just weren't a good fit? I trust the coaches here I guess.


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    Re: Lack of instate talent

    Oops, can the title be fixed to read "of" instead of "on?"


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    Re: Lack on instate talent

    We have more Iowa commits this year than from any other state I believe.



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    Re: Lack on instate talent

    1. Population


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    Re: Lack on instate talent

    Population is a major factor, and the make up of that population is also a factor.

    Another factor is that the school district in Des Moines doesn't allow for young player development, I believe it has been talked about on here before but Des Moines Middle/Junior High Schools do not have football teams. This is an issue in player development, look at the DSM high schools (definatly some of the larger schools in the state) and their success, not much, over the years in Iowa, it isn't cause there are no athletes there, it is because the athletes aren't football players that grow up with the game.

    Also I would say climate plays a part, college football has transitioned to a fast paced passing game, Iowa doesn't allow for that type of game to be played year around, like in places like TX and FL. Also small schools often don't have the talent to do much other than run the ball so it is hard to develop small school QBs and Receivers.

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    Re: Lack on instate talent

    My response is: Not enough D1 talent for what? ISU and eiu are both in a bowl game. UNI is in the post-season. This state has sent plenty of guys to the NFL. Sure you can't win only with Iowa guys, but it does pretty well otherwise.

    I'd like to see the JUCOs focus more on football if anything.



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    Re: Lack on instate talent

    Iowa is one of the more underrated states for football talent imo. You take a look at ISU, Iowa and UNI's roster and there are Iowa guys all over. Talented ones. Not to mention all the talent you see playing elsewhere that grew up in Iowa. Michigan State and Mizzou and even Rutgers have Iowa players that are making impacts.



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    Re: Lack on instate talent

    I think the perception is, Iowa doesn't have a ton of Big 12 and Big 10 talent. Like was said before, there are tons of Iowa kids on UNI, which I would equate with schools from WAC, C-USA and Sun Belt talent.



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    Re: Lack on instate talent

    Quote Originally Posted by boone7247 View Post
    Also I would say climate plays a part, college football has transitioned to a fast paced passing game, Iowa doesn't allow for that type of game to be played year around, like in places like TX and FL. Also small schools often don't have the talent to do much other than run the ball so it is hard to develop small school QBs and Receivers.

    Just my thoughts.
    I would agree with you but Olin HS in eastern Iowa ran a spread passing attack. Olin might have had 15 to 20 people in a class and somehow made it work so maybe 8-10 guys in a class. I can't remember if there were very good but they did score a lot of points because I don't know if 1A or A schools could defend the pass very well especially against 4 and 5 wrs sets.

    This might be the one exception but I think it comes down to coaches more than players.



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    Re: Lack on instate talent

    Quote Originally Posted by boone7247 View Post
    Population is a major factor, and the make up of that population is also a factor.

    Another factor is that the school district in Des Moines doesn't allow for young player development, I believe it has been talked about on here before but Des Moines Middle/Junior High Schools do not have football teams. This is an issue in player development, look at the DSM high schools (definatly some of the larger schools in the state) and their success, not much, over the years in Iowa, it isn't cause there are no athletes there, it is because the athletes aren't football players that grow up with the game.
    I always thought this was odd too, but I moved to NJ and they don't have school sponsored middle school teams either. But they do have tremendous township leagues from 3-8th grade. Does DSM have city youth leagues for these kids?



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    Re: Lack on instate talent

    Quote Originally Posted by boone7247 View Post
    Population is a major factor, and the make up of that population is also a factor.

    Another factor is that the school district in Des Moines doesn't allow for young player development, I believe it has been talked about on here before but Des Moines Middle/Junior High Schools do not have football teams. This is an issue in player development, look at the DSM high schools (definatly some of the larger schools in the state) and their success, not much, over the years in Iowa, it isn't cause there are no athletes there, it is because the athletes aren't football players that grow up with the game.

    Also I would say climate plays a part, college football has transitioned to a fast paced passing game, Iowa doesn't allow for that type of game to be played year around, like in places like TX and FL. Also small schools often don't have the talent to do much other than run the ball so it is hard to develop small school QBs and Receivers.

    Just my thoughts.
    This and population are the big reasons.



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    Re: Lack on instate talent

    1. Population
    2. Climate

    In states like Texas they can play football year round, and with the trend toward spread offenses the experience factor is magnified for HS players. Iowa will never be a wealth of top quality talent but I think there is a lot of opportunity being missed out on by not developing the younger kids.


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    Re: Lack on instate talent

    Someone name me the all of the skill players born and raised in Iowa in the NFL. What's it take, one hand? 2 fingers. None? We have plenty of lineman but no skills. Lineman are generally developed and skill is skill. That is why Iowa is 'perceived' as having no talent. And yes, population, geography and demographics are the underlying reasons.

    http://www.databasefootball.com/play...e.htm?state=ia

    Link above is telling. Current skill positions born and raised in Iowa in the NFL - Rosenfels and Orton. But look at the list... look for distinguished skill players from Iowa that stuck in the NFL... not very long... reality is perception is reality. Sorry forgot Sproles.

    By comparison Florida QBs, RBs and WRs, the CURRENT number of NFL Florida-born players is 28. That list includes some guys that actually make a difference on the field as well.

    Texas has 30.


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    Oops, can the title be fixed to read "of" instead of "on?"
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