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    Rematch hypocrisy?

    ESPN (and every news outfit that regurgitates everything ESPN says) keeps saying that clearly LSU and Alabama are the #1 and #2 teams in the country. Honestly, I don't have much of a problem with that. My only true issue with that is that there should be a playoff to prove it.

    That being said, I DO have a problem with LSU vs. Alabama playing for the national championship. The reason being how the 2006 season played out. Either that championship should have been OSU vs Michigan or this years championship should NOT be LSU vs. Alabama.

    Please explain to me why this year is different than 2006 and why the almighty SEC gets a rematch where the B10 didn't.



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    Re: Rematch hypocrisy?

    As i recall, ESPN was fully pulling for a rematch in both situations.

    The same thing shouldve been the rule as now: If you arent #1 for your conference, you shouldnt be in the championship game.



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    Re: Rematch hypocrisy?

    Quote Originally Posted by nrg4isu View Post
    ESPN (and every news outfit that regurgitates everything ESPN says) keeps saying that clearly LSU and Alabama are the #1 and #2 teams in the country. Honestly, I don't have much of a problem with that. My only true issue with that is that there should be a playoff to prove it.

    That being said, I DO have a problem with LSU vs. Alabama playing for the national championship. The reason being how the 2006 season played out. Either that championship should have been OSU vs Michigan or this years championship should NOT be LSU vs. Alabama.

    Please explain to me why this year is different than 2006 and why the almighty SEC gets a rematch where the B10 didn't.
    Because in 2006, Florida's one loss was in mid October to an Auburn team that went 11-2. That, along with the fact that OSU played Michigan in the last game of the season (with no CCG), it made sense when Florida jumped Michigan in the BCS rankings. (and even more sense when UF destroyed tOSU)

    Any team with a loss has no room to complain about being excluded from the championship game. OKSt. controlled its own destiny, and blew it. So they were forced to rely on pollsters.



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    Re: Rematch hypocrisy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzoulander View Post
    Because in 2006, Florida's one loss was in mid October to an Auburn team that went 11-2. That, along with the fact that OSU played Michigan in the last game of the season (with no CCG), it made sense when Florida jumped Michigan in the BCS rankings. (and even more sense when UF destroyed tOSU)

    Any team with a loss has no room to complain about being excluded from the championship game. OKSt. controlled its own destiny, and blew it. So they were forced to rely on pollsters.
    As did Alabama, at home, not to mention they played 3 teams that figure to be better than ISU. Alabama did not prove they are the second best team in the nation. That is a fact.


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    Re: Rematch hypocrisy?

    Quote Originally Posted by alarson View Post
    As i recall, ESPN was fully pulling for a rematch in both situations.

    The same thing shouldve been the rule as now: If you arent #1 for your conference, you shouldnt be in the championship game.
    Why? What would ESPN have to gain from a rematch of a low-scoring, defensive game?

    Sure, their analysts might have predicted this outcome (most of us did) and they'll be talking (ad nauseum) about the interesting points about the game. But they would have done that if it was LSU-OKSt, or Boise-Houston, or whatever the NCG ended up being.

    There's no conspiracy...Bama and OKSt are both good teams, and both have valid reasons to be in the NCG.



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    Re: Rematch hypocrisy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzoulander View Post
    Why? What would ESPN have to gain from a rematch of a low-scoring, defensive game?

    Sure, their analysts might have predicted this outcome (most of us did) and they'll be talking (ad nauseum) about the interesting points about the game. But they would have done that if it was LSU-OKSt, or Boise-Houston, or whatever the NCG ended up being.

    There's no conspiracy...Bama and OKSt are both good teams, and both have valid reasons to be in the NCG.
    But OSU didn't lose to the other team playing already.


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    Re: Rematch hypocrisy?

    I don't know if it has been said but does anyone think that maybe there was a conspiracy to get this rematch to happen. There are quite a few people against the rematch from happening but if some voters purposely wanted it to occur to have more fans calling for a playoff system more than ever.

    I honestly don't believe the voters are this smart though.



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    Re: Rematch hypocrisy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    As did Alabama, at home, not to mention they played 3 teams that figure to be better than ISU. Alabama did not prove they are the second best team in the nation. That is a fact.
    I count 4 teams that Bama played with records better than ISU: Penn St, Arkansas, LSU, and Auburn. Three more (Florida, Vandy, MSU) had the same record.

    And remember, Bama BEAT all of those teams (except LSU).

    If the BCS scores favored OKSt., then Bama shouldn't complain either. But as a lot of commentators have mentioned today, it matters who you lose to. Championship-caliber teams don't lose those games like OKSt. did.



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    Re: Rematch hypocrisy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzoulander View Post
    Because in 2006, Florida's one loss was in mid October to an Auburn team that went 11-2. That, along with the fact that OSU played Michigan in the last game of the season (with no CCG), it made sense when Florida jumped Michigan in the BCS rankings. (and even more sense when UF destroyed tOSU)

    Any team with a loss has no room to complain about being excluded from the championship game. OKSt. controlled its own destiny, and blew it. So they were forced to rely on pollsters.
    Ok, but how is this different? Alabama lost to LSU mid-season, Michigan lost to tOSU late in the season. The time of the loss is the only difference I can see.

    As far as who ELSE might play in the championship game if it wasn't a rematch: that is a bit of a different question. That being said, Florida lost to (11-2) Auburn mid-season by 10 in regulation, OkState lost to (6-6) ISU in double OT. I can't see how there's much of a difference. If Florida's loss was a fluke, wouldn't OkState's be a fluke as well?

    I'm not calling this a conspiracy... I'm just saying it's not a good system.



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    Re: Rematch hypocrisy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzoulander View Post
    ... But as a lot of commentators have mentioned today, it matters who you lose to. Championship-caliber teams don't lose those games like OKSt. did.
    Right, but I'm trying to compare 2006 to 2011.

    pre-bowl game records:
    Michigan 2006 - 11-1 loss tOSU 12-0
    Florida 2006 - 11-1 loss Auburn 11-1

    Alabama 2011 - 11-1 loss LSU 12-0
    OSU 2011 - 11-1 loss ISU 6-6

    If who you lost to makes the biggest difference, Michigan should have played tOSU for the 2006 NC game. Period.

    If avoiding a re-match is a bigger deal, then sure florida vs. tOSU in 2006 makes sense... but then it should be LSU vs. OkState!



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    Re: Rematch hypocrisy?

    Quote Originally Posted by nrg4isu View Post
    Right, but I'm trying to compare 2006 to 2011.

    pre-bowl game records:
    Michigan 2006 - 11-1 loss tOSU 12-0
    Florida 2006 - 11-1 loss Auburn 11-1

    Alabama 2011 - 11-1 loss LSU 12-0
    OSU 2011 - 11-1 loss ISU 6-6

    If who you lost to makes the biggest difference, Michigan should have played tOSU for the 2006 NC game. Period.

    If avoiding a re-match is a bigger deal, then sure florida vs. tOSU in 2006 makes sense... but then it should be LSU vs. OkState!
    Right. This is an SEC bias thing. I have been saying for a few weeks now that the SEC, top to bottom, is not that good. So, who you beat doesn't really matter. It's that one game out of 12 for each team that matters which I find ridiculous. My hope is that OSU blasts their opponent and LSU blasts Bama.


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    Re: Rematch hypocrisy?

    What bothers me is that the BCS process is so secretive and is obviously generated by a few people. How easy would it be for a handful of people to simply decide who they want to play and make the numbers match? I don't think it is necessarily as simple as the numbers being completely objective...



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    Re: Rematch hypocrisy?

    Quote Originally Posted by nrg4isu View Post
    Right, but I'm trying to compare 2006 to 2011.

    pre-bowl game records:
    Michigan 2006 - 11-1 loss tOSU 12-0
    Florida 2006 - 11-1 loss Auburn 11-1

    Alabama 2011 - 11-1 loss LSU 12-0
    OSU 2011 - 11-1 loss ISU 6-6

    If who you lost to makes the biggest difference, Michigan should have played tOSU for the 2006 NC game. Period.

    If avoiding a re-match is a bigger deal, then sure florida vs. tOSU in 2006 makes sense... but then it should be LSU vs. OkState!
    Think about it this way: what allowed Florida to jump up over Michigan in 2006, and why didn't that happen again in 2011?

    1. Michigan losing in the last week meant they had no time to rebound. Florida had many weeks AND an SEC Championship game over Arkansas to climb back up.

    2. OKSt only played one game after their loss - not enough time to rebound. And with no CCG, they played a 2-loss OU team.

    3. In terms of losses, there's only "good" and "bad" losses: both tOSU and Auburn in '06 would be considered "good" losses. So would LSU in 2011.

    In all cases, the old adage holds true: if you must lose, lose early, and lose to somebody who's good.



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    Re: Rematch hypocrisy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzoulander View Post
    I count 4 teams that Bama played with records better than ISU: Penn St, Arkansas, LSU, and Auburn. Three more (Florida, Vandy, MSU) had the same record.

    And remember, Bama BEAT all of those teams (except LSU).

    If the BCS scores favored OKSt., then Bama shouldn't complain either. But as a lot of commentators have mentioned today, it matters who you lose to. Championship-caliber teams don't lose those games like OKSt. did.
    Championship caliber teams don't miss a bunch of FGs and score 6 points at home with the best RB in the country. Like I said, ISU was rated better than all but three teams Bama played according to Sagarin. They lost one of those. OSU played 6(!) teams at ISU level or better and lost one, not to mention they laid the wood to 4 of the 5. Bama beat PSU by 16. Woopty frickin do. They also didn't do to Arkansas what OSU did to Oklahoma. We are judging to teams based on 8.3% (repeating of course) of the games they played instead of the other 91.67% (repeating of course) of the games they played.


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    Re: Rematch hypocrisy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    Championship caliber teams don't miss a bunch of FGs and score 6 points at home with the best RB in the country. Like I said, ISU was rated better than all but three teams Bama played according to Sagarin. They lost one of those. OSU played 6(!) teams at ISU level or better and lost one, not to mention they laid the wood to 4 of the 5. Bama beat PSU by 16. Woopty frickin do. They also didn't do to Arkansas what OSU did to Oklahoma. We are judging to teams based on 8.3% (repeating of course) of the games they played instead of the other 91.67% (repeating of course) of the games they played.
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