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    Missouri and A&M

    Does their success/failure next year have anything to do with how good the Big 12 conference is? If they both go under .500 does that mean the big 12 is weak? If they play each other in the SEC championship does that mean the Big 12 is better than some thought? Or does it mean nothing at all.

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    Re: Missouri and A&M

    Means nothing. A&M is losing a lot from their team, as well as a new coach. Its going to look like a completely new team.



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    Re: Missouri and A&M

    Well A&M was .500 this season. They will be in a very tough division next season.



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    Re: Missouri and A&M

    A NJ paper wrote that A$M, Mizzou, and Texas were all in the mix for the Pinstripe Bowl. Does that mean that all or any of the three turned them down? I can see Texas going to the Holiday, but did Mizzou and A$M choose their bowls over NYC?


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    Re: Missouri and A&M

    Quote Originally Posted by CTTB78 View Post
    A NJ paper wrote that A$M, Mizzou, and Texas were all in the mix for the Pinstripe Bowl. Does that mean that all or any of the three turned them down? I can see Texas going to the Holiday, but did Mizzou and A$M choose their bowls over NYC?
    I would guess that Texas and A&M were only "in the mix" in a theoretical sense. Neither would have turned down the Pinstripe bowl because neither was even available when the Pinstripe got its selection.

    The KC paper asked Missouri if they felt like the Big 12 let them down again, and the Missouri AD went out of his way to say that MU was very pleased with how they worked with the Big 12 this year. It did not mention the Pinstripe Bowl, but did imply that MU turned down the Kraft Hunger bowl and was happy with Independence since it is located in SEC country.



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    Re: Missouri and A&M

    Probably not much of a reflection. A&M will have a new coach and was .500 this year anyway. Mizzou was one game north of .500, but they will be playing in the East which is much less competitive than the West. I would anticipate A&M winning around 2-3 conference games tops with a new coach in the SEC West.



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    Re: Missouri and A&M

    The Pinstripe Bowl pays out a total of $2M ($1M/team). If your team is not making a more prestigious bowl game (e.g higher pay-out) then why turn down a cool mil for 750 grand that the Independence Bowl pays, or 500 grand that the Holiday Bowl pays your team?


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    Re: Missouri and A&M

    Quote Originally Posted by drednot57 View Post
    The Pinstripe Bowl pays out a total of $2M ($1M/team). If your team is not making a more prestigious bowl game (e.g higher pay-out) then why turn down a cool mil for 750 grand that the Independence Bowl pays, or 500 grand that the Holiday Bowl pays your team?
    Because the teams never see that money...or at least most of it. After "expenses," the bowl money is pooled by the conference and distributed to everyone.

    In Missouri's case, there was some discussion that if they received a Pinstripe invite, there would be more negotiation with the Big 12 over what those expenses were, or tickets that weren't sold, etc. The conference wants the largest share of the $2M it can get.

    The easiest solution for Mizzou is to get a bowl invitation outside of the B12 affliates, so any money that comes to the conference is a bowl "bonus". And apparently the Big 12 assisted in that.



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    Re: Missouri and A&M

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzoulander View Post
    Because the teams never see that money...or at least most of it. After "expenses," the bowl money is pooled by the conference and distributed to everyone.

    In Missouri's case, there was some discussion that if they received a Pinstripe invite, there would be more negotiation with the Big 12 over what those expenses were, or tickets that weren't sold, etc. The conference wants the largest share of the $2M it can get.

    The easiest solution for Mizzou is to get a bowl invitation outside of the B12 affliates, so any money that comes to the conference is a bowl "bonus". And apparently the Big 12 assisted in that.



    This is somewhat off topic for this thread, but what was the resolution to the exit fees for MU and TA&M? Were they negotiated, are they to be paid in full, or I heard the possibility that they wouldn't be paid their portion of the B12 money from this year? I seem to remember MU arguing no harm no foul because WV is taking their spot.


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    Re: Missouri and A&M

    Did Colorado/Nebraska's success say anything about the big XII this year? No.


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    Re: Missouri and A&M

    Who cares about either of these two programs? They are dead to me.



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    Re: Missouri and A&M

    Just wondered if anyone heard whether Mizzou and A$M were offered the Pinstripe. I know neither team was there when Pinstripe made their selection, but is that because neither team wanted to go there?


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    Re: Missouri and A&M

    Quote Originally Posted by cycfan View Post
    This is somewhat off topic for this thread, but what was the resolution to the exit fees for MU and TA&M? Were they negotiated, are they to be paid in full, or I heard the possibility that they wouldn't be paid their portion of the B12 money from this year? I seem to remember MU arguing no harm no foul because WV is taking their spot.


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    Hasn't been finalized yet. The max payout would be $22M-$23M for each team; both schools are looking to pay in the $10M-$12M range. The teams don't cut a check to the league - it gets withheld from their league revenue fees.

    WVU's invitation shouldn't affect the exit fees; that was only relevant to the possibility of suing MU for the loss of TV revenue (when the league was down to 9 teams).

    I'd expect that it will all be wrapped up after bowl season.



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    Re: Missouri and A&M

    Quote Originally Posted by CTTB78 View Post
    Just wondered if anyone heard whether Mizzou and A$M were offered the Pinstripe. I know neither team was there when Pinstripe made their selection, but is that because neither team wanted to go there?
    TAMU wasn't, because they were selected by the Car Care bowl before the Pinstripe (as most suspected).

    MU spoke with both the league and the Pinstripe and while not turning them down, they let the Pinstripe know that Missouri wasn't the best fit for them this year, and asked the league to lobby the Compass or Indy Bowls for inclusion. They did.

    Technically MU WAS available for selection (since contractually the Pinstripe has its choice of Big 12 teams before any non-affil. bowl), but neither party showed much interest.



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    Re: Missouri and A&M

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzoulander View Post
    Hasn't been finalized yet. The max payout would be $22M-$23M for each team; both schools are looking to pay in the $10M-$12M range. The teams don't cut a check to the league - it gets withheld from their league revenue fees.

    WVU's invitation shouldn't affect the exit fees; that was only relevant to the possibility of suing MU for the loss of TV revenue (when the league was down to 9 teams).

    I'd expect that it will all be wrapped up after bowl season.
    Since the B12 will already possess approx $18M of Mizzou's TV money share, I seriously doubt Mizzou will get any of that. If they want it, they will have to sue to get it. That was essentially how NU and CU worked out for their exit fees.



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