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    Why are we fumbling the football at such a rate?

    Many of you know me. I am a huge Cyclone fan. I do not believe in calling out players or coaches. It serves no purpose. These young men sacrifice a lot to play a game that they love for ISU.

    I am curious as to your thoughts regarding the frequency with which we are putting the ball on the ground. It wasn't that many years ago that we were hundreds of carries between fumbles.

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    Re: Why are we fumbling the football at such a rate?

    Two words: Zone Read.



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    Re: Why are we fumbling the football at such a rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    Two words: Zone Read.
    This pretty much summs it up. Freshman QB, Freshman RB who wasn't really even in the mix for starter during fall camp. This is one of the reasons a bowl game is so big for us. Those extra days of practice should improve this.



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    Re: Why are we fumbling the football at such a rate?

    Because we aren't holding on to the ball hard enough to pop it.



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    Re: Why are we fumbling the football at such a rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyBer View Post
    Because we aren't holding on to the ball hard enough to pop it.
    Not saying every back has to carry it like Woody with 2 arms wrapped around the ball, but they do need to hold it a little tighter. Also, IIRC, James had the ball in the wrong hand on his first fumble. He was holding the ball in his right hand and the defender came in and just plucked it right out. If he was holding the ball away from the tackler, he would have had is body to help protect the ball.



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    Re: Why are we fumbling the football at such a rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    Two words: Zone Read.
    This. The zone read has the same risks that any option football has. While there isn't a pitch involved, the RB hits the line very quickly after receiving the ball. Since the QB needs to be able to pull the ball back, the handoff isn't as easy as a normal running play.



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    Re: Why are we fumbling the football at such a rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    Two words: Zone Read.
    DING DING DING DING



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    Re: Why are we fumbling the football at such a rate?

    Not enough Woody.



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    Re: Why are we fumbling the football at such a rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    Two words: Zone Read.
    I take this back. It's not just the zone read, we've fumbled much more this year than the previous years.

    This year we've had 26 fumbles and 16 fumbles lost, with two games left to go.

    The previous 6 years we've had 15-19 fumbles and 7-11 fumbles lost.

    AA and Arob did a great job hanging onto the ball, in retrospect.



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    Re: Why are we fumbling the football at such a rate?

    I don't think you can blame this all on the zone read. As bawbie points out, we have fumbled a lot more this season than the last few, and we were running the zone read then too.

    Also, I don't have the exact numbers to back it up, but it seems to me like most of our fumbles this year haven't been at the point of exchange on the zone read. When you cough it up ten yards down field, that has nothing to do with the tricky handoff with the zone read.



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    Re: Why are we fumbling the football at such a rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    I take this back. It's not just the zone read, we've fumbled much more this year than the previous years.

    This year we've had 26 fumbles and 16 fumbles lost, with two games left to go.

    The previous 6 years we've had 15-19 fumbles and 7-11 fumbles lost.

    AA and Arob did a great job hanging onto the ball, in retrospect.
    Yes Bawbie, I looked this up too before I started the thread. 2003 comes as close to this year (with 23), and on average since 2002 we are at 17 fumbles per year. This year we are currently at 26 with two games remaining. I had some difficulty getting stats previous to 2000, but I will wager there were years in the 90's that we were below 8-10 for the season.

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    Re: Why are we fumbling the football at such a rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonehomer View Post
    This. The zone read has the same risks that any option football has. While there isn't a pitch involved, the RB hits the line very quickly after receiving the ball. Since the QB needs to be able to pull the ball back, the handoff isn't as easy as a normal running play.
    I like the zone read even with some of the fumbles, when it's on 1st down or when we need more than 2 yrds. It is a large part of the fumble-itis, but with experience they will have better communication and exchange, its effective when the DL isn't in the backfield expecting a run on 3rd and short or something

    But when we only need 1 or 2 yards, IMHO the play call has to be a lot more straight give. Let woody concentrate on making a read and finding the two yrds, not finding the damn ball. Mix in a zone read every once in a while, but when KO and the rest of the line is healthy we have the beef to exert our will on most teams for 1 or 2.


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    Re: Why are we fumbling the football at such a rate?

    Running backs coaches have changed through the years too.



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    Re: Why are we fumbling the football at such a rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by creightonclone View Post
    Not enough Woody.
    you know there's a pill for that


    read this post quickly - it might not last long

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    Re: Why are we fumbling the football at such a rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by pulse View Post
    Running backs coaches have changed through the years too.
    This is where I was going when I started the thread. I am sure there are multiple factors at work. Defenses are emphasizing the "strip" drill and the "punch-out" maneuver. We have garnered our share of fumbles from these tactics. I can understand when we lose the ball on an exchange, but losing the ball when clearly in control of the ball is disconcerting.

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