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    No. 2 Ok State 29 - ISU 9

    Finch with a decision
    Sorenson with a decision
    Spangler with a decision

    Not much of a competitive match-up here tonight...



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    Re: No. 2 Ok State 29 - ISU 9

    Glad to see Finch getting the W. I think he's on track to be an All American this year.



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    Re: No. 2 Ok State 29 - ISU 9

    back to back pins killed us. Oliver is a freak.



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    Re: No. 2 Ok State 29 - ISU 9

    Every time I hear about ISU and wrestling all i see are L's. This is not a good thing.



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    Re: No. 2 Ok State 29 - ISU 9

    Quote Originally Posted by twojman View Post
    Every time I hear about ISU and wrestling all i see are L's. This is not a good thing.
    . the ship will be righted. have patience.



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    Re: No. 2 Ok State 29 - ISU 9

    I am disappointed that Beard got beat 9-2. If he expects to AA he has to beat guys like Perry. In general though I can't really complain. Oklahoma State is super solid and we still have a lot of guys out. We won the matches we should have and lost the ones where we were outgunned. We gotta get up to full strength though, and soon. I wonder if we'll see Gadsen on Sunday.



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    Re: No. 2 Ok State 29 - ISU 9

    Quote Originally Posted by CYVADER View Post
    . the ship will be righted. have patience.
    I'm not a huge wrestling guy but since I have been following ISU I do not remember hearing about all of these losses. I hope the right guy is in place and we get some W's here soon.



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    Re: No. 2 Ok State 29 - ISU 9

    Quote Originally Posted by CYVADER View Post
    . the ship will be righted. have patience.
    I am not a huge wrestling guy either but do we have a shot against Iowa? This match is about all I watch all year.



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    Re: No. 2 Ok State 29 - ISU 9

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCrazy View Post
    I am not a huge wrestling guy either but do we have a shot against Iowa? This match is about all I watch all year.
    Depends heavily on how healthy we are. But even if we are at full strength we'll need a few upsets. Nothing insane though - stuff like Beard taking out Gramball.



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    Re: No. 2 Ok State 29 - ISU 9

    Quote Originally Posted by twojman View Post
    Every time I hear about ISU and wrestling all i see are L's. This is not a good thing.
    Then I'd advise you to actually gain some knowledge before jumping off the cliff....

    Even I understand, with the limited knowledge/following of wrestling, know there are going to be some building pains, and most fans that pay attention to isu wrestling know this.



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    Re: No. 2 Ok State 29 - ISU 9

    Quote Originally Posted by CYVADER View Post
    . the ship will be righted. have patience.
    I'd love to believe this. I just want to know why I should. And I'm not trying to be an a--. What is the evidence that Jackson is going to build this into a respectable program, let alone a program that will compete for national titles?

    Last year was terribly disappointing, and we've started this dual season 0-4 with losses to schools that an ISU shouldn't lose to. I know we're dealing with significant injuries right now. I just want to know why those injuries won't eventually be viewed as just another excuse.

    I was all in on ISU wrestling before Cael left. Bought season tickets in his last year and joined the wrestling club. But I'll admit that wrestling has to win at a high level to keep my interest, and right now we're far from that.



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    Re: No. 2 Ok State 29 - ISU 9

    Gotta have some patience this year. No question we had two really bad years, but things are definitely looking up. We saw some aggressive matches today and even in a couple of losses, I saw some great efforts. Our recruiting class this year is looking pretty good, but KJ has got to keep the pedal to the metal, as other Big 12 and Big 10 programs are also pushing hard.

    Still not impressed with our website, though, and was not very impressed the way the team came out tonight - nothing to get the crowd into it.

    To me, it is important we welcome our new recruits to the family, and encourage more to join them.



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    Re: No. 2 Ok State 29 - ISU 9

    Quote Originally Posted by psychlone99 View Post
    What is the evidence that Jackson is going to build this into a respectable program, let alone a program that will compete for national titles?
    Increased depth, good recruiting classes, guys consistently overperforming, and buy in from Olympic level athletes picking ISU for their training location.

    We're building a team that will compete for titles. We just have to realize that it's going to be 2013 or 2014 before we get there. In the meantime we continue to build depth and get the most out of the guys in the room.

    The one area Jackson might have to answer for right now is whether his training practices are making us more injury prone. If we had our full lineup in right now we'd be 3-1 at worst and possibly 4-0



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    Re: No. 2 Ok State 29 - ISU 9

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    The one area Jackson might have to answer for right now is whether his training practices are making us more injury prone.
    Gadson got hurt in freestyle this summer, IIRC. And Weatherman and Moreno were alleged to have concussion symptoms from their matches against Army.



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    Quote Originally Posted by theshadow View Post
    Gadson got hurt in freestyle this summer, IIRC. And Weatherman and Moreno were alleged to have concussion symptoms from their matches against Army.
    Yeah. We are probably just be really unlucky. But all these injuries just make me wonder if something in our training program is making us more prone to getting injured. I have full faith in Jackson but that's the one area I'm becoming increasingly worried about.



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