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    How this happened?

    Okay, so Barnett is 3-0 as a starter, but he did play a few snaps in Missouri and played all but the first few snaps against A&M. So lets break it down between the 6 games Jantz played and the 4 that Barnett has played. I don't think Jantz is completely to blame for the difference, but it is still interesting.

    Jantz (NIU - MU)
    Points for: 24 pg
    Points against: 36 pg
    1st downs: 19.66 pg
    Passing: 231 pg
    Attempts: 39 pg
    Completions: 21.6 pg
    Yards per pass: 5.9
    Rushing: 150.5 pg
    Attempts: 38.66 pg
    Yards per rush: 3.8
    Turnovers: 3 pg
    TOP: 26.47 pg

    Barnett (A&M - OSU)
    Points for: 27 pg
    Points against: 20 pg
    1st downs: 24.75 pg
    Passing: 218 pg
    Attempts: 39 pg
    Completions: 19 pg
    Yards per pass: 5.5
    Rushing: 234 pg
    Attempts: 47.5 pg
    Yards per rush: 4.9
    Turnovers: 2 pg
    TOP: 33.42 pg

    Looking at the stats it is no wonder that we are winning games now and the stats have got better every game Barnett has played.



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    Re: How this happened?

    Quote Originally Posted by jaretac View Post
    Okay, so Barnett is 3-0 as a starter, but he did play a few snaps in Missouri and played all but the first few snaps against A&M. So lets break it down between the 6 games Jantz played and the 4 that Barnett has played. I don't think Jantz is completely to blame for the difference, but it is still interesting.

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    Looking at the stats it is no wonder that we are winning games now and the stats have got better every game Barnett has played.
    It's like I said in the ISU-OU prediction thread. ISU changed their offensive philosophy with Barnett at QB, and it's paid dividends. Maybe they thought JB couldn't handle the offense, but for whatever reason, they have all but dumped the Jet-tempo, slowed things down, and run the ball more. This has allowed ISU to cut down on turnovers, control possession, and keep their defense off the field. That translates to victories, and it is really what they should have been doing all along. When the strength of your team is the defense, you don't run a hurry-up offense. ISU isn't the Jim Kelly K-Gun Buffalo Bills. If anything, keeping it in the early-90s, they're the Christian Okoye-Derrick Thomas Kansas City Chiefs.



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    Re: How this happened?

    I'm one of the if not the biggest Jantz supporters. But Barnett not turning the ball over helps the defense out so much. The D has been top notch all year, they just got mentally and physically worn out from the offense just stalling and throwing them right back on the field.

    I still think Jantz has more upside, and its too bad that he hasn't gotten to play QB as much as Barnett has in his life and hasn't been here as long as Barnett either to fully know the system. But Barnett is only a freshman also, if he keeps getting stronger and can start throwing the ball better hes going to be pretty legit. OSU was a big step in the right direction.


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    Re: How this happened?

    This. A thousand times this.

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    It's like I said in the ISU-OU prediction thread. ISU changed their offensive philosophy with Barnett at QB, and it's paid dividends. Maybe they thought JB couldn't handle the offense, but for whatever reason, they have all but dumped the Jet-tempo, slowed things down, and run the ball more. This has allowed ISU to cut down on turnovers, control possession, and keep their defense off the field. That translates to victories, and it is really what they should have been doing all along. When the strength of your team is the defense, you don't run a hurry-up offense. ISU isn't the Jim Kelly K-Gun Buffalo Bills. If anything, keeping it in the early-90s, they're the Christian Okoye-Derrick Thomas Kansas City Chiefs.



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    Re: How this happened?

    Barnett is also a better passer than SJ.

    klamath is right they did change some things. JB runs the zone read very well. They have also threw down field more with JB. Another factor is the young WRs are stepping up and guys like West and Gary are getting the ball more, by design and because they have stepped their game up.


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    Re: How this happened?

    Quote Originally Posted by RustShack View Post
    I'm one of the if not the biggest Jantz supporters. But Barnett not turning the ball over helps the defense out so much. The D has been top notch all year, they just got mentally and physically worn out from the offense just stalling and throwing them right back on the field.

    I still think Jantz has more upside, and its too bad that he hasn't gotten to play QB as much as Barnett has in his life and hasn't been here as long as Barnett either to fully know the system. But Barnett is only a freshman also, if he keeps getting stronger and can start throwing the ball better hes going to be pretty legit. OSU was a big step in the right direction.

    The defense has been pretty good for the most part, but against MU and Baylor it really got run over from the opening kick. Hard to blame the offense for all of that. Also, it was not clear that the defense was going to be as good as it is early in the year. Most Cyclone fans thought that the clones could not win without scoring in the mid-30's.



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    Re: How this happened?

    Quote Originally Posted by RustShack View Post
    I'm one of the if not the biggest Jantz supporters. But Barnett not turning the ball over helps the defense out so much. The D has been top notch all year, they just got mentally and physically worn out from the offense just stalling and throwing them right back on the field.

    I still think Jantz has more upside, and its too bad that he hasn't gotten to play QB as much as Barnett has in his life and hasn't been here as long as Barnett either to fully know the system. But Barnett is only a freshman also, if he keeps getting stronger and can start throwing the ball better hes going to be pretty legit. OSU was a big step in the right direction.
    Agreed. This is one of those times where the stats don't tell the whole story. 2 quick turnovers against Texas to give them field position just outside the redzone to start the game...defense is going to get worn down. Although Barnett has 2 turnovers pg, if you spread them out it has less of an impact.



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    Re: How this happened?

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    It's like I said in the ISU-OU prediction thread. ISU changed their offensive philosophy with Barnett at QB, and it's paid dividends. Maybe they thought JB couldn't handle the offense, but for whatever reason, they have all but dumped the Jet-tempo, slowed things down, and run the ball more. This has allowed ISU to cut down on turnovers, control possession, and keep their defense off the field. That translates to victories, and it is really what they should have been doing all along. When the strength of your team is the defense, you don't run a hurry-up offense. ISU isn't the Jim Kelly K-Gun Buffalo Bills. If anything, keeping it in the early-90s, they're the Christian Okoye-Derrick Thomas Kansas City Chiefs.
    Against OSU, we had 60 pass attempts and 41rushes before correcting for sacks. Against KU, 30 pass and 49 rush. Against TTech, 26 pass and 67 rush. ISU has won games both ways.


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    Re: How this happened?

    I also think that defenses really have to change the way they game plan for JB. I think they may have had to for Jantz as well, but after he was hurt, his scrambling ability disappeared.



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    Re: How this happened?

    I don't blame Jantz on the losses. The only thing he can be blamed for is the turnovers. Other than that, let's be subjective here. Tech, Kansas and even OSU aren't exactly juggernauts on defense, so it's been easier for us to move the ball than against Texas, for example. Plus, the defense has suddenly decided to man-up and play with heart. Jantz is not the reason we lost to Baylor. The defense getting gashed for about 15 yards a carry lost us that game. This team succeeds or fails with the way the defense plays. I don't know if we would have beaten OSU with Jantz at quarterback, but I'm pretty confident we would have beaten Tech and Kansas still.



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    Re: How this happened?

    When Jantz was running the show the offense had way too many 3 and outs. Look at the first downs and time of possession numbers with Barnett. I don't think it's an accident that the defense is suddenly playing better when they are on the field less. The fact is we sustain a lot more drives now and are having 1 less turnover per game. Those things are huge.



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    Re: How this happened?

    Is Jantz heel/foot back to normal yet?


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    Re: How this happened?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drive4cy View Post
    When Jantz was running the show the offense had way too many 3 and outs. Look at the first downs and time of possession numbers with Barnett. I don't think it's an accident that the defense is suddenly playing better when they are on the field less. The fact is we sustain a lot more drives now and are having 1 less turnover per game. Those things are huge.
    Penalties on first down have diminished recently.


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    Re: How this happened?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drive4cy View Post
    When Jantz was running the show the offense had way too many 3 and outs. Look at the first downs and time of possession numbers with Barnett. I don't think it's an accident that the defense is suddenly playing better when they are on the field less. The fact is we sustain a lot more drives now and are having 1 less turnover per game. Those things are huge.
    I don't buy that as the answer. We saw the defense get torched before the offense even took the field. We saw the defense get torched immediately after the offense would hold the ball for several minutes.

    The defense was playing without enough desire. That's changed now, and we're seeing what they're actually capable of.


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    Re: How this happened?

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    It's like I said in the ISU-OU prediction thread. ISU changed their offensive philosophy with Barnett at QB, and it's paid dividends. Maybe they thought JB couldn't handle the offense, but for whatever reason, they have all but dumped the Jet-tempo, slowed things down, and run the ball more. This has allowed ISU to cut down on turnovers, control possession, and keep their defense off the field. That translates to victories, and it is really what they should have been doing all along. When the strength of your team is the defense, you don't run a hurry-up offense. ISU isn't the Jim Kelly K-Gun Buffalo Bills. If anything, keeping it in the early-90s, they're the Christian Okoye-Derrick Thomas Kansas City Chiefs.
    I agree with 99.999% of this. I am a dick so, the 0.001%? We haven't dumped the jet tempo. We just don't completely overuse it like we did when Jantz was in there. We used the jet to perfection on the game tying TD drive last week, and it's because (IMHO) we hadn't run it all night until then.



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