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    Now the big question...

    Where is ISU with Barnett at qb starting game 1? I have said all year that this is a good team but Turnover Machine has cost this team a lot. Jeez it just makes you wonder. I would say we beat at least Texas.



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    Re: Now the big question...

    Bag on Jantz all you want, but he put up some points with his arm. Barnett will not get half the touchdowns Jantz has through the air if he starts every down the rest of the season. Did Reynolds get more than 2 targets tonight? Jantz has a much better arm and is willing to take risks. When Barnett was pressured tonight the play died. Jantz extended a ton of plays with his feet early in the season. We would have a worse record outside of conference play with Barnett playing every game, and no better one in it. The teams we played in conference were too good.



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    Re: Now the big question...

    I'm not sure it is that much of a question. Jantz turned the ball over a lot....Barnett does not seem to be so inclined. IMO, the future is with Barnett, Hollis and White, so you stick with them.

    I think right now Barnett may not appear as polished as Jantz, but we are not filled in on what the coaches are telling him, or giving him to work with either. It may be that he is operating within some constraints established by the coaches that were not put on Jantz at first.....we don't know.

    I just think you have to look to the future some, and personally, I would stick with Barnett, and develop him. Your future is not in a guy who is only going to be here for one more year in Jantz, or in a qb who can't stay academically eligible, imo.


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    Re: Now the big question...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dryburn View Post
    I'm not sure it is that much of a question. Jantz turned the ball over a lot....Barnett does not seem to be so inclined. IMO, the future is with Barnett, Hollis and White, so you stick with them.
    Yes it is. You still need to score points. Barnett did not score a whole ton of points tonight, the O line did. And it has not played this well at all the rest of the season. You are not going to get 380 yards rushing every night, and to give all that credit to the QB is ludicrous. It should indict the QB, not the other way around.



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    Re: Now the big question...

    I think the playcalling has been better with JB in, it was pretty conservative tonight but it didn't need to be flashy. IT seems like taking less risks has been paying off.



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    Re: Now the big question...

    Irrelevant we are where we are. You can question everything till the moo cow comes home. But in the end this is the spot we are in 4-4.



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    Re: Now the big question...

    I like what Barnett did with his feet as much as his arm, really had some nice runs. I also like that they slowed the game down for the most part. Not near as many penalties as in prior games on the offense, and much more consistant play.



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    Re: Now the big question...

    what if we started barnett for the first half of texas baylor and mizzou and played steele in the second of those 3 games!? i just blew my own ******* mind!



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    Re: Now the big question...

    Unfair. Horrible thread.



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    Re: Now the big question...

    Quote Originally Posted by CYVADER View Post
    what if we started barnett for the first half of texas baylor and mizzou and played steele in the second of those 3 games!? i just blew my own ******* mind!
    This. we would be the #3 team in the nation, and ready to move up to #2 when they cannibalize themselves next week.



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    Re: Now the big question...

    Irrelevant. Can't change the past. Who cares.



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    Re: Now the big question...

    Quote Originally Posted by brett108 View Post
    Bag on Jantz all you want, but he put up some points with his arm. Barnett will not get half the touchdowns Jantz has through the air if he starts every down the rest of the season. Did Reynolds get more than 2 targets tonight? Jantz has a much better arm and is willing to take risks. When Barnett was pressured tonight the play died. Jantz extended a ton of plays with his feet early in the season. We would have a worse record outside of conference play with Barnett playing every game, and no better one in it. The teams we played in conference were too good.
    Darius dropped the two that were in his hands. I will refrain his nickname, as he hasn't shown that he is what the names implies.

    Barnett is head and shoulders better than Jantz. All of you claiming Jantz is the better QB are just delusional. For those claiming the injury is the cause, wrong. Poor mechanics are his problem. He is jumpy back there, Barnett is smooth back there. We will be bowl bound with Barnett. KU, and one other upset...book it!



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    Re: Now the big question...

    I would say we are close to being in the same position. Turnovers killed us for sure, but they weren't all Jantz's turnovers. Plus there was a ton of other bad play, stupid mistakes and dropped balls that weren't the QBs fault. The team finally put it together tonight. The O-line was finally pushing people around, which I haven't seen all year until tonight.



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    Re: Now the big question...

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    Unfair. Horrible thread.
    Why, because no one is bagging on the receivers?!



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    Re: Now the big question...

    Quote Originally Posted by brett108 View Post
    Bag on Jantz all you want, but he put up some points with his arm. Barnett will not get half the touchdowns Jantz has through the air if he starts every down the rest of the season. Did Reynolds get more than 2 targets tonight? Jantz has a much better arm and is willing to take risks. When Barnett was pressured tonight the play died. Jantz extended a ton of plays with his feet early in the season. We would have a worse record outside of conference play with Barnett playing every game, and no better one in it. The teams we played in conference were too good.
    Has Reynolds consistently caught more than 50% of the balls thrown to him in each game? No? Then why force the ball to him? Money had four great games and disappeared for three other games with Jantz starting. Reynolds appeared to be double covered a lot tonight, at least three times when Barnett did try to go to him.

    It doesn't matter how we score, we just need to score as much as possible. Play the guy who give us the best opportunity to score. ISU averages 18.5 ppg in conference with Jantz starting, and 41 ppg with Barnett starting.


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