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    O-Line is not the Problem

    Watch the game film, the o-line is not the problem.
    Yes, it could be better but the Qb's have to read the O-line big gold BUTTS.
    The O-line's butt is an arrrow or turn indicator that tells the RB or Qb or Wr which direction to GO.
    Instead I see the ball carrier run into their butts instead of reading them and going in the opposite direction.
    Or the worst trying to run around their block, which alows the defender to slide out and get them.
    Barnett did better when he stepped up in the pocket to throw, instead of running aroud his O-tackle to get tackled by the defense.
    The aTm back did a better job of setting up the block,reading the butts and spining out as our defenders drop their heads to tackle.
    Whites TD is evidence of reading the butts and finding daylight.
    The O-line can't tell what the ball carrier is doing behind him, he is to aggressively push his man in the direction the defender chooses and seal him out so the Rb can read the block and run to daylight.
    Thats the way ITS suppose to happen.
    Watch the film again and then evaluate the O-line, they did pretty good.

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    Re: O-Line is not the Problem

    So none of our running plays have a set hole to run through?



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    Re: O-Line is not the Problem

    Are there holes to run through? How many D players are making a play on the RB?


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    Re: O-Line is not the Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by berther48 View Post
    Watch the game film, the o-line is not the problem.
    Yes, it could be better but the Qb's have to read the O-line big gold BUTTS.
    The O-line's butt is an arrrow or turn indicator that tells the RB or Qb or Wr which direction to GO.
    Instead I see the ball carrier run into their butts instead of reading them and going in the opposite direction.
    Or the worst trying to run around their block, which alows the defender to slide out and get them.
    Barnett did better when he stepped up in the pocket to throw, instead of running aroud his O-tackle to get tackled by the defense.
    The aTm back did a better job of setting up the block,reading the butts and spining out as our defenders drop their heads to tackle.
    Whites TD is evidence of reading the butts and finding daylight.
    The O-line can't tell what the ball carrier is doing behind him, he is to aggressively push his man in the direction the defender chooses and seal him out so the Rb can read the block and run to daylight.
    Thats the way ITS suppose to happen.
    Watch the film again and then evaluate the O-line, they did pretty good.

    GO CYCLONES !



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    Re: O-Line is not the Problem

    Runner A: " Coach, all I saw were oline butts. There were no holes."

    Runner B: "Coach, I tried to find the hole but it was a moving target and tough to hit."

    Receiver A: "Coach, I tried to catch that ball but I could not see it for all the butts."

    Receiver B: " Sorry, Coach, the sun skewed my vision when a hole in the line developed to let the sun rays come through."


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    Re: O-Line is not the Problem

    If we ever get to the point where a Cyclone QB drops back and stares at the O-Line's *** to decide where he should move....I might just give up on football



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    Re: O-Line is not the Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by berther48 View Post
    Watch the game film, the o-line is not the problem.
    Yes, it could be better but the Qb's have to read the O-line big gold BUTTS.
    The O-line's butt is an arrrow or turn indicator that tells the RB or Qb or Wr which direction to GO.
    Instead I see the ball carrier run into their butts instead of reading them and going in the opposite direction.

    Or the worst trying to run around their block, which alows the defender to slide out and get them.
    Barnett did better when he stepped up in the pocket to throw, instead of running aroud his O-tackle to get tackled by the defense.
    The aTm back did a better job of setting up the block,reading the butts and spining out as our defenders drop their heads to tackle.
    Whites TD is evidence of reading the butts and finding daylight.
    The O-line can't tell what the ball carrier is doing behind him, he is to aggressively push his man in the direction the defender chooses and seal him out so the Rb can read the block and run to daylight.
    Thats the way ITS suppose to happen.
    Watch the film again and then evaluate the O-line, they did pretty good.

    GO CYCLONES !
    Generally speaking, I think you are right. But there is still a blocking scheme and a specific hole the RB is supposed to hit. In the time it takes for the QB to turn around and hand the RB the ball that hole is, by design, supposed to be opening for the RB. If a defender jams the OL back into that hole where the RB is supposed to go, that is on the OL not the QB/RB.

    This isn't sandlot football where the O-line blocks and the back just makes something happen where he can. These are specific plays designed to go to a certain place.

    More talented or experienced RB's like aTm's will be able to make plays when holes aren't there but I don't think our guys are there yet and can't turn a blown up blocking scheme into a big play.



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    Re: O-Line is not the Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by IowaStateClones View Post
    So none of our running plays have a set hole to run through?
    If we are running a Zone blocking scheme on offense, it is the runner's responsibilty to read the @$$ of the oline and run to daylight (if there is any). James White does an excellent job of this with his great vision. Jared Barnett is a much better Zone Read QB than Steele was/is. This all has to gel in order for us to be successful in the run game and once we are successful there than you will see the vertical passing game open way up. Again people get sick of hearing this but WE ARE A WORK IN PROGRESS.

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    Re: O-Line is not the Problem

    [quote] The aTm back did a better job of setting up the block,reading the butts and spinning out as our defenders drop their heads to tackle. [quote]
    the aTm backs watched the baylor film:
    we had such poor backside containment he would go counter to his blocks for the biggest gains. we should be so good with our reads .......



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    Re: O-Line is not the Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by wyldeone View Post
    If we are running a Zone blocking scheme on offense, it is the runner's responsibilty to read the @$$ of the oline and run to daylight (if there is any).
    Yes - usually on the front side of the zone read, there are double teams on the DL to create push (ie TE/Tackle on DE and G/C on DT but it all depends on formation and defensive alignment), then a couple of these OL work up to LB's. On the backside, the guard has to block the DT/NG, and the tackle lets the DE go to block a LB. The intent is to blow the DL off the line with double-teams and the RB has to pick his hole within about 2 steps of getting the handoff. He knows he's going right or left initially, but after that he has to find his spot. If the OL can get a lot of push even without opening up a hole or getting to the LBs, a lane usually develops on the backside that can get good yardage.

    All that being said, I haven't watched the OL enough to tell if they run straight zone, or man, or a combination. And it can be hard to tell what they are "supposed" to do versus what they "actually" do anyway.

    Still, I think our OL is good when the offense forces the opponent to play close to straight-up. When the opponent is able to bring tons of pressure all game long because our passing game can't exploit it, we get hammered by blitzes and just can't block their 6-8 guys with our 5-7.


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    Re: O-Line is not the Problem

    Our O line is terrible at the blitz pickup. And it is not because they are bringing 8-9 guys. One extra is enough, as no one seems to understand their gap responsibilities. Every blitz I watch I see a guy run free with an unnessary double team, or better yet, a lineman with his hands on his hips, letting it happen.

    This team is not always running the zone read. You can see designed pulls from the weak side on certain run plays. It seems like every play one of the lineman gets beat badly, and that is what is blowing up your running game. the fact is we are getting terrible YPC averages, and the line is what dictates that. It is a problem.


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    Re: O-Line is not the Problem

    i thought the o-line would dominate this year. we havent had many holes to run through. most of the bigger runs have been white busting to the outside and getting good blocks from the WRs. we have allowed a ton of sacks! OL needs has the talent but needs to step it up.


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    Re: O-Line is not the Problem

    p.s. we need to get rid of the option play. it's hardly ever going for positive yards and never results in a big gain. i think we go back to CPRs first year and use alot of the qb draw type plays that arnaud ran. JB runs alot like AA just not as big/strong.


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    Re: O-Line is not the Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by demoncore1031 View Post
    p.s. we need to get rid of the option play. it's hardly ever going for positive yards and never results in a big gain. i think we go back to CPRs first year and use alot of the qb draw type plays that arnaud ran. JB runs alot like AA just not as big/strong.
    And do what? If we can't run a read option where you are actually creating one less guy to block, how in the hell will we do something else?


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    Re: O-Line is not the Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    And do what? If we can't run a read option where you are actually creating one less guy to block, how in the hell will we do something else?
    do i look like a coach? all i know is that the option is horrible. and sometimes it's obvious that we are running it. i remember a couple years back on the road at colorado and we ran the option on the final play of the game and they dropped a-rob and we lost. everyone knew it was coming


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