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    Blum: Officials. Referees. Zebras. Enemies.

    Brent Blum on officiating and Iowa State. A must read.

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    Re: Blum: Officials. Referees. Zebras. Enemies.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisMWilliams View Post
    Brent Blum on officiating and Iowa State. A must read.

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    If the marquee matchups get the "A crew" officials...I would like to know where that A crew was for the notorious ISU MSU Elite 8 MBB game. I hate officials and always will. The quality of officiating has steadily, and noticably declined since I started watching sports 20 years ago.


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    Re: Blum: Officials. Referees. Zebras. Enemies.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike4cy View Post
    If the marquee matchups get the "A crew" officials...I would like to know where that A crew was for the notorious ISU MSU Elite 8 MBB game. I hate officials and always will. The quality of officiating has steadily, and noticably declined since I started watching sports 20 years ago.
    I doubt it. Although the mistakes have become more noticeable since every game is on TV, and the quality of replay is much better (HD and more/better camera angles)



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    Re: Blum: Officials. Referees. Zebras. Enemies.

    Good stuff Blumer! I do not come from a family of officials, but I tend to fall in line with you where I believe that egregious calls that hurt ISU are not part of some grand conspiracy theory but are honest mistakes.

    If you remove the offsides call that is baically a complete anomaly, I think a lot of then angst comes from the perception of replay. From your breakdown, 7 of the 18 plays were overturned....of those 7, 5 went against ISU. It's just a matter of perception. Whether the call was right or wrong people see that 5-2 score on overturned calls and it gets frustrating, even if the calls are right, ya know?

    My biggest problem with replay in college football is how the requirement for indisputable evidence has seemingly gotten softer and softer. For instance, the RG3 fumble...imo, whatever was called on the field is what should have stood. That, in my eyes, did not meet the level of "conclusive". On those bang-bang plays you have to go with what was called on the field and the officials instincts (a problem there being that officials have probably somewhat been trained to let the play go and defer to review if necessary).

    Similar to people that complain about foul count at halftime of a basketball game. One team being called for more fouls doesn't mean that the refs have it out for anyone...it probably means that they think one team is fouling more and they are calling it as such.




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    Re: Blum: Officials. Referees. Zebras. Enemies.

    Quote Originally Posted by khaal53 View Post
    Good stuff Blumer! I do not come from a family of officials, but I tend to fall in line with you where I believe that egregious calls that hurt ISU are not part of some grand conspiracy theory but are honest mistakes.

    If you remove the offsides call that is baically a complete anomaly, I think a lot of then angst comes from the perception of replay. From your breakdown, 7 of the 18 plays were overturned....of those 7, 5 went against ISU. It's just a matter of perception. Whether the call was right or wrong people see that 5-2 score on overturned calls and it gets frustrating, even if the calls are right, ya know?

    My biggest problem with replay in college football is how the requirement for indisputable evidence has seemingly gotten softer and softer. For instance, the RG3 fumble...imo, whatever was called on the field is what should have stood. That, in my eyes, did not meet the level of "conclusive". On those bang-bang plays you have to go with what was called on the field and the officials instincts (a problem there being that officials have probably somewhat been trained to let the play go and defer to review if necessary).

    Similar to people that complain about foul count at halftime of a basketball game. One team being called for more fouls doesn't mean that the refs have it out for anyone...it probably means that they think one team is fouling more and they are calling it as such.
    Great stuff. Couldn't agree more. And Mike4Cy...the elite 8 refs are exempt from this discussion, they were a bunch of slappies!


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    Re: Blum: Officials. Referees. Zebras. Enemies.

    So you proved that more often than not calls go against ISU in reviews. The bigger problem is that really really obviously bad calls go against ISU; that shouldn't happen.



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    Re: Blum: Officials. Referees. Zebras. Enemies.

    IT could be nothing. It probably IS nothing. I don't believe in conspiracies. But it nags at me.

    I know it is the kind of thing that isn't supposed to be discussed, but I think the answer could lie in the point spreads. Understand, I don't have the resources at my fingertips to illustrate, but think about:

    ISU is a school that often outperforms the spread. For whatever reason, maybe our fans are hesitant to support ISU on a betting line, or our national reputation is one that leads to larger lines being set than they should. But there are teams like that. Iowa often underperforms the spread. There are trends there, and people are aware of them.

    There is a lot of money not just in who wins or loses, but by how much.


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    Re: Blum: Officials. Referees. Zebras. Enemies.

    Blummer, I have asked this question to a friend of mine who has officated for 30 years and he never really has an answer, as an officiating family, here is my question.. i understand how an official misses an infraction, holding ; PI; offsides; ect, if THEY DIDNT SEE IT. But HOW DO U SEE SOMETHING THAT DIDNT HAPPEN? that is what I dont get.



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    Re: Blum: Officials. Referees. Zebras. Enemies.

    Quote Originally Posted by khaal53 View Post
    Similar to people that complain about foul count at halftime of a basketball game. One team being called for more fouls doesn't mean that the refs have it out for anyone...it probably means that they think one team is fouling more and they are calling it as such.
    The funny thing with that is if the fouls count is too lopsided you can be assured they will make an attempt to even it up as the clock is winding down. Especially in WBB.



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    Re: Blum: Officials. Referees. Zebras. Enemies.

    Reynolds' long catch against Texas that was overturned was a ridiculously bad call... I don't see how they could possibly overturn it based on the video evidence, which appeared to confirm the catch, and definitely did not provide the undisputed video evidence necessary to overturn a call.

    I thought it was a pretty interesting coincidence that BS, unexcusable offsides call came right at a pivotal point of the game for those who were worried about the point spread...



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    Re: Blum: Officials. Referees. Zebras. Enemies.

    Quote Originally Posted by proisu View Post
    Blummer, I have asked this question to a friend of mine who has officated for 30 years and he never really has an answer, as an officiating family, here is my question.. i understand how an official misses an infraction, holding ; PI; offsides; ect, if THEY DIDNT SEE IT. But HOW DO U SEE SOMETHING THAT DIDNT HAPPEN? that is what I dont get.
    Great question. It sucks, but officials are human whether we like it or not. I've reffed games before where I swear I saw something occur and when I saw a tape of the game, it was clearly not there. It can be bad angles/obstructed view, etc. and unfortunately sometimes there is an educated guess that has to be made. That said, the offsides call was absolutely inexcusable. NO explanation for that.

    And I don't mean to fire people up, just looking at this from a different angle. Thanks all for reading!


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    Re: Blum: Officials. Referees. Zebras. Enemies.

    If you were a ref and gambled (or had family that did) - you have an amazing edge in determining games. There is a "hold" on almost every play in football....just a matter of when to call them.



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    Re: Blum: Officials. Referees. Zebras. Enemies.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisMWilliams View Post
    Brent Blum on officiating and Iowa State. A must read.

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    SPOT ON ------ WHAT A GREAT PIECE !!!!!!!!!!!



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    Re: Blum: Officials. Referees. Zebras. Enemies.

    I always enjoy the "indisputable" evidence part. I'm still waiting on that part for the TD call at UConn by their QB? and taking Woody's TD away last week. Also would love to know how James White didn't get the TD against UConn? where KO got hurt the next play (that shouldn't have happened).

    If there truly is indisputable evidence, replay officials shouldn't take much heat as any reasonable fans are going to agree.



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    Re: Blum: Officials. Referees. Zebras. Enemies.

    Based on our coaches reaction after the game, I'm guessing he wouldn't be as apologetic as you.



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