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    Not as exciting with a second wild card?

    Last night is considered among many people as the single greatest night of regular season baseball in the history of MLB. However, MLB is considering creating a second wild card and giving the team with the best regular season record a first round bye.

    Can we all agree that last night would have been basically meaningless with a second wild card and thus is a horrible idea?



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    Re: Not as exciting with a second wild card?

    Baseball playoff strategies are so tough to think about.

    With so many games, too many playoff teams make the regular season meaningless.

    But with so few playoff teams half the league ends up playing a meaningless second half.

    They're kind of screwed either way, except for the part about selling tickets for a bazillion games a year, that part is they are fine on ;-)



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    Re: Not as exciting with a second wild card?

    Well, you could theoretically have the same circumstances as last night with teams fighting for the proposed 2nd wildcard.



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    Re: Not as exciting with a second wild card?

    They need to expand the playoffs. Baseball needs to try something different to get people interested. Either expand playoffs or take away regular season games.

    Also, the same situation could have happened if there was a second wild card team.


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    Re: Not as exciting with a second wild card?

    Quote Originally Posted by creightonclone View Post
    Last night is considered among many people as the single greatest night of regular season baseball in the history of MLB. However, MLB is considering creating a second wild card and giving the team with the best regular season record a first round bye.

    Can we all agree that last night would have been basically meaningless with a second wild card and thus is a horrible idea?
    You're right, last night would not have been as fun but in the future, the same thing could happen with two teams fighting for the last wild card spot. I think baseball needs to expand their playoffs and adding one more wild card to each league is perfect. It will still have the fewest playoff spots of any major sport even with adding those two.

    Also, I could be wrong, but the way I've heard it explained is that the two wild card teams will play a best of three series and then that winner will go onto the divisional series against the team with the best record. So essentially, all three division winners will get a first round "bye".



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    Re: Not as exciting with a second wild card?

    Quote Originally Posted by rholtgraves View Post
    They need to expand the playoffs. Baseball needs to try something different to get people interested. Either expand playoffs or take away regular season games.

    Also, the same situation could have happened if there was a second wild card team.
    Get more people interested? You're kidding, right? It's called "America's pastime" for a reason.

    How could the same situation happen if there was a second wild card? It's simple math. Atlanta finished three games ahead of San Fran and Boston finished four games ahead of the Angels. WRONG. Next year, last night wouldn't have happened.



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    Re: Not as exciting with a second wild card?

    Quote Originally Posted by creightonclone View Post
    Get more people interested? You're kidding, right? It's called "America's pastime" for a reason.

    How could the same situation happen if there was a second wild card? It's simple math. Atlanta finished three games ahead of San Fran and Boston finished four games ahead of the Angels. WRONG. Next year, last night wouldn't have happened.
    It's fairly obvious interest in baseball has been dwindling over the past couple decades. The whole "America's pastime" bit is becoming a joke. That pains me to say it too because baseball is my favorite sport.

    The same situation wouldn't have happened this year, but in other years it would have and it could in the future. This year isn't a good example. There have been many years three teams have been fighting for one wild card spot.



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    Re: Not as exciting with a second wild card?

    Same number of play-off spots, but scrap the divisions. This 2nd wild card is primarily being driven because 3 teams from the AL east should probably have made the play-offs several times in the recent past.



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    Re: Not as exciting with a second wild card?

    Quote Originally Posted by ianoconnor View Post
    Well, you could theoretically have the same circumstances as last night with teams fighting for the proposed 2nd wildcard.
    Bingo, baseball needs to do what it can to make it more exciting. The best idea IMO is to have the season end before the NFL starts, because everything takes a backseat to football in the fall.


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    Re: Not as exciting with a second wild card?

    Last night would have been mostly meaningless, but the Angels didn't get eliminated until the day before, so it isn't like there wouldn't be drama... anything to get more teams involved would be a good thing, plus you could follow it up right away with another quick series...

    Last year, the Yankees had the AL wild card sealed up, but the battle between the White Sox and Red Sox would have gone down to the last day for the second wild card.

    In 2009 the Rangers, Tigers, Mariners and Rays would have all been withing three games of the second wild card and the Giants, Marlins, and Braves within two!

    In 2006 the Tigers and Mariners would have tied for the second wild card as would the Padres and Mets... So we would be having TWO sudden death games today...



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    Re: Not as exciting with a second wild card?

    Quote Originally Posted by dtclones View Post
    It's fairly obvious interest in baseball has been dwindling over the past couple decades. The whole "America's pastime" bit is becoming a joke. That pains me to say it too because baseball is my favorite sport.

    The same situation wouldn't have happened this year, but in other years it would have and it could in the future. This year isn't a good example. There have been many years three teams have been fighting for one wild card spot.

    Attendance is on a three year climb and the highest it has been in a LONG time. National TV ratings may be down,but let's face it, every team plays every day and people want to watch their OWN team and know where to find it. LOCAL TV ratings are higher than they have EVER been and teams are signing deals worth $30 million/year plus for their local TV rights... I wouldn;t say that interest has been dwindling... If ESPN had the financial interest in MLB as it did in the NFL you would see a huge shift in their programming and with that, national interest. It's sad, but ESPN controls a huge chunk of people's perception on sports.



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    Re: Not as exciting with a second wild card?

    Here is a proposal for expanding the play-off system. 8 teams get in (the 3 division champs - who get the 1,2 & 3 seeds - plus the next 5 teams with the best records).

    The division champs get a two game home field advantage match with the 6,7,8 seeds. The division champ only needs to win one of the games to advance, but the lower seed needs to win both. This would reward the division champs.

    The 4 & 5 seeds would play a best-of-3 game series to determine who advances. In the second round, the winner of this game would meet the winner of the #1 - #8 match-up, and the #3 - #6 winner would meet the #2 - #7 winner. This second round would be a best-of-5 series.

    The league championships would be a best-of-7 series.

    This year's National League play-offs, using this system, would look like this:

    #1 Phillies vs #8 Nationals - 2 game series
    #4 Cards vs #5 Braves - 3 game series
    #3 D-Backs vs #6 San Fran - 2 game series
    #2 Brewers vs #7 Dodgers - 2 game series

    I'm sure there are flaws with this, but I think that this could possibly work.


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    Re: Not as exciting with a second wild card?

    Quote Originally Posted by kentkel View Post
    Here is a proposal for expanding the play-off system. 8 teams get in (the 3 division champs - who get the 1,2 & 3 seeds - plus the next 5 teams with the best records).

    The division champs get a two game home field advantage match with the 6,7,8 seeds. The division champ only needs to win one of the games to advance, but the lower seed needs to win both. This would reward the division champs.

    The 4 & 5 seeds would play a best-of-3 game series to determine who advances. In the second round, the winner of this game would meet the winner of the #1 - #8 match-up, and the #3 - #6 winner would meet the #2 - #7 winner. This second round would be a best-of-5 series.

    The league championships would be a best-of-7 series.

    This year's National League play-offs, using this system, would look like this:

    #1 Phillies vs #8 Nationals - 2 game series
    #4 Cards vs #5 Braves - 3 game series
    #3 D-Backs vs #6 San Fran - 2 game series
    #2 Brewers vs #7 Dodgers - 2 game series

    I'm sure there are flaws with this, but I think that this could possibly work.
    I'm all for adding playoff teams, but 16 teams total is way too many. That's over half the MLB. That would mean only 6 AL teams DON'T make the playoffs (8 in the NL). I think it's dumb how the NBA has sub-.500 teams make the playoffs because they let too many teams in. The Nationals finished below .500 this year and would have made it so you'd have the same thing in baseball now.

    How does a two-game series work? And why would the #4 vs. #5 need an extra game assuming a two game series could work?



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    Re: Not as exciting with a second wild card?

    Expanded playoffs and Salary cap. Need more stars on more teams.



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    Re: Not as exciting with a second wild card?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigman38 View Post
    Bingo, baseball needs to do what it can to make it more exciting. The best idea IMO is to have the season end before the NFL starts, because everything takes a backseat to football in the fall.
    More exciting? As the old adage goes, baseball is a thinking man's sport. If you think it needs to be more exciting, that says more about you than the game.



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