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    Antecedants to Big 12 Instability

    How did Big 12 become so dysfunctional? - KansasCity.com

    Good article that helps put everything in to perspective on how we got to the problems with the conference. Plenty of blame to be thrown around , from Nebraska's heavy reliance on partial-qualifiers to revenue-sharing that benefitted dominant programs. Plenty of stink, and a clear check-list of what needs to be addressed.



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    Re: Antecedants to Big 12 Instability

    The biggest thing that sticks out in all of this, is that Texas, Nebraska, aTm, and Oklahoma all originally voted for unequal revenue sharing. And look at which programs caused all of this trouble? Mizzou may be the exception, but all of these played huge parts in potentially breaking up the conference....



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    Re: Antecedants to Big 12 Instability

    thanks for the link. Insightful read.

    A lot of things I didn't know about the reformation history of Big XII (or knew only parts of it).

    Especially wasn't in the know about attempts to form Big 12 network, then having it work in the B1G, which (along with some semblance of respect for tradition) shows why one league is airtight and the other is volatile.

    As long as that unequal-partners environment persists — it isn't going to work.



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    Re: Antecedants to Big 12 Instability

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclones500 View Post
    thanks for the link. Insightful read.

    A lot of things I didn't know about the reformation history of Big XII (or knew only parts of it).

    Especially wasn't in the know about attempts to form Big 12 network, then having it work in the B1G, which (along with some semblance of respect for tradition) shows why one league is airtight and the other is volatile.

    As long as that unequal-partners environment persists — it isn't going to work.
    A good article written in Omaha, Neb. Aug-2010.

    The Big Ten Decision - Omaha.com

    Well worth reading.



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    Re: Antecedants to Big 12 Instability

    Boys like the article sez its all about the television sets and its strictly a business decision and ....

    There are some schools just like Houston and Rice not to mention tcu who are gonna be "Left Out In the Cold"...aka as the Mountain West Conference or the Conf USA or the Wac or the Mac.


    Thats just cold hard reality and its only gonna get worse, as these football playing schools like Texas and Oklahoma chase more and more scarce revenue sources.


    Myself If the big 12 conf cant even get its members to agree upon television rites there is no hope of a "Long Term Future" for this ill conceived big 12 conference.


    Ya want to know why the big 10 and pac whatever are a lot better conferences?

    Its NOT simply equal revenue sharing but its ...WHATEVER IS BEST FOR THE CONFERENCE....not whatever is best for a couple of schools at the top of the heap.


    Good Bye Big 12 its been nice to know you.....



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    Re: Antecedants to Big 12 Instability

    Quote Originally Posted by Broodwich View Post
    How did Big 12 become so dysfunctional? - KansasCity.com

    Good article that helps put everything in to perspective on how we got to the problems with the conference. Plenty of blame to be thrown around , from Nebraska's heavy reliance on partial-qualifiers to revenue-sharing that benefitted dominant programs. Plenty of stink, and a clear check-list of what needs to be addressed.
    Thanks for posting. Great read.

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    Re: Antecedants to Big 12 Instability

    Good read, but it didn't really tell us much that we didn't already know. Essentially, it said Texas is a cancer. As soon as we invited them into the conference, they immediately started calling the shots, and most of the rest of the league just allowed them to, causing things to get worse and worse as time goes on.

    Now, getting rid of Texas isn't the answer, but if it's a cancer, we just need to do everything that we can as a conference to make sure that we get it in remission.



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    Re: Antecedants to Big 12 Instability

    Quote Originally Posted by cyrocksmypants View Post
    Good read, but it didn't really tell us much that we didn't already know. Essentially, it said Texas is a cancer. As soon as we invited them into the conference, they immediately started calling the shots, and most of the rest of the league just allowed them to, causing things to get worse and worse as time goes on.

    Now, getting rid of Texas isn't the answer, but if it's a cancer, we just need to do everything that we can as a conference to make sure that we get it in remission.
    According to KSU fans:

    Yes the prop 48 was huge to nebraska

    Yeah, and I bet in your little self-absorbed Big Red World, you didn't know that vote went 10-2, not 11-1. K-State was also dependent on Prop 48 athletes, and sided with NU. What did that earn us? Contempt from a-holes like you because you didn't get your way. Unlike you, we didn't pout for 15 years about the outcome, because we understand how democracy works. No Prop 48s? OK. We'll adapt, and focus on JuCos instead. Result? KSU enjoyed unparalleled success. NU with their breath held and their arms folded, and watched their Big Red Empire slowly crumble...

    Yes, the league going south was huge to the Huskers.

    Again with the Big Red self-absorption. That vote went 7-5 (not 11-1), all schools around KC voted against it. You have to ask why the Oklahoma and Colorado schools sided with the Texans, however? CU was especially po'd that NU acted in the Big 8 the way NU thinks UT acts in the Big 12, and saw that as an opportunity to "get back" at what they saw as the KC Mafia. I'm still not happy about that, but unlike you, I still understand how democracy works in a conference.

    Yes....OU leaving NU the rivalry was huge

    Why blame the whole Big 12? That's an OU issue. It seems to me the only team you should REALLY be mad at is OU, which ironically is the only Big 12 team you all seem to like for some odd reason. You had the opportunity to ask for permanent N/S rivals like the SEC does with permanent E/W rivals. OU said "no". You could have scheduled OU as non-conference games, the Sooners said "no". Makes me wonder why OU doesn't want to play you all any more? Perhaps now we know why.

    Yes the game never CCG never coming back to the North was huge

    Here's where your selfishness interferes and ultimately ruins the Big 12. The financial impact of the games in Dallas dwarfs them being in KC. Everybody wins. But you all don't apparently need the "money" even though the smaller schools are desperate for every dollar. You want only what's good for NU, which I guess is usually ok, but when what's good for NU HARMS the conference you're in, perhaps you did the right thing by leaving. You all were the classic conference "team cancer".

    Yes, being on pay per view was terrible for Nebraska

    You know what you all told us when we complained we weren't on TV as often as you and OU were? "Get better". Good advice, I say.


    Yes, all these things were huge....and Nebraska could never vote for an equal share if the other 3 big schools were going to get theirs

    This makes no sense. Try again, using something other than "Husker logic"?

    And MU and CU were always threatening to leave....for years
    This might be your only logical response. Yes, that's true, so perhaps we should thank the Big 12 for delaying what ultimately would have happened to the Big 8. Both MU and CU were trying to find ways to leave the conference as far back as the 1980s. OU publicly talked about going independent. Both OU and NU tried to kick K-State out of the Big 8 and invite Arkansas in the mid-80s. The Big 8 was not the "happy family" you claim it to have been. This has obviously been exposed in the past few years.
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