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    If the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams...

    This is making a big assumption, if the Big 12 were to go back to 12 teams, would it be a good idea to switch up the divisions to more of a random format. To bring a bit more balance and stability, maybe split up Texas and Oklahoma for example. It would make it more difficult to win the "north", but this way maybe the "south" wouldn't have all the power. I was thinking something like this, assuming a scenario where BYU, Louisville, and TCU would come in:

    Division 1:
    Texas
    Iowa State
    Kansas
    Texas Tech
    Louisville
    Oklahoma State

    Division 2:
    Oklahoma
    TCU
    BYU
    Baylor
    Kansas State
    Missouri

    There could still be some "protected rivalries" if that is something that teams want, like Texas vs Oklahoma or Iowa State vs Kansas State. I think this provides a nice balance of Basketball and Football and could make things a bit more interesting.


    Last edited by spierceisu; 09-21-2011 at 01:42 PM. Reason: Poor Grammar

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    Re: If the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams...

    Best idea that will never happen (in my opinion):

    Base the next year's (or 2 years out) divisions on the order they finish.

    Division ONE:
    1st place team,
    4th place team,
    5th,
    8th,
    9th,
    12th


    Division 1:
    2nd
    3rd
    6th
    7th
    10th
    11th

    Extend the pattern for however many schools we have. Each sport would be done separately. Ideally, you base next year's divisions on this year's standings. You can never complain about one division owning another division (like the north used to be somewhat ridiculed in football compared to the south).

    Probably the biggest problem is trying to even out home/away per pair. Probably not too difficult in basketball, presuming the home/away for divisional foes and either home or away for non-division. However, for football it could really be hit-or-miss. You could miss playing a team for years and years. Maybe it could work like the NCAA tourney selection -- where you can go up or down 1 spot to accommodate regions.

    OR -- perhaps you could do a 2, 3, or 4 year rotation. Combined standings over 4 years determines the divisions for the next 4 years with some wiggle room to avoid repetitive redundancy.


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    Re: If the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams...

    Wait I thought we were going after Notre Dame, Florida State, and USC?


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    Re: If the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams...

    While I kinda like it, I don't like it more.

    If we get back to 12 teams, thus back to divisions, we need to stay with a North - South division simply for travel purposes. For our non-revenue teams, having Kansas being our only remotely close away game is going to cost a lot more, would have to cut from more places to keep all our sports up and running.


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    Re: If the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams...

    By all means, avoid repetitive redundancy.

    Interesting concept to flex by sport and over a period of time. The worm can turn and in basketball it can turn fairly quickly.


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    Re: If the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams...

    Quote Originally Posted by spierceisu View Post
    This is making a big assumption, if the Big 12 were to go back to 12 teams, would it be a good idea to switch up the divisions to more of a random format. To bring a bit more balance and stability, maybe split up Texas and Oklahoma for example. It would make it more difficult to win the "north", but this way maybe the "south" wouldn't have all the power. I was thinking something like this, assuming a scenario where BYU, Louisville, and TCU would come in:

    Division 1:
    Texas
    Iowa State
    Kansas
    Texas Tech
    Louisville
    Oklahoma State

    Division 2:
    Oklahoma
    TCU
    BYU
    Baylor
    Kansas State
    Missouri

    There could still be some "protected rivalries" if that is something that teams want, like Texas vs Oklahoma or Iowa State vs Kansas State. I think this provides a nice balance of Basketball and Football and could make things a bit more interesting.
    The idea isn't terrible, but there are problems to your layout. For example:

    Does OU pick OSU or UT as their protected rival?
    Does KU pick KSU or MU as their protected rival?

    Basically, KU will have to be with either MU or KSU.
    OU with OSU or UT
    UT with OU or TT

    Since this seems to be the new "predict our conference" game, I'll play.
    (Also, don't think we add TCU. They don't give anyone a damn thing. I think we snag Cincy as WVU would likely go SEC)

    Hatfield Division
    UT
    TT
    Cincy /WVU (if avaliable)
    ISU
    MU
    BU

    McCoy Division
    OU
    OSU
    KU
    KSU
    UL
    BYU

    Protected Rivalries
    UT and OU (Red River Shoot Out)
    TT and OSU
    Ciny/WVU and UL
    ISU and KSU (Farmageddon)
    MU and KU (Border War)
    BU and BYU (Call it the Holy War and have an Arc of the Covenant replica as a trophy?!)

    That way you preserve many of the natural rivalries and trophy games and cut down on travel as much as possible. Just my guess.


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    Re: If the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams...

    I don't think TX and OU will be in separate divisions...cuz they figure they play each other no matter...and if they win their divisions they'd play each other again in only a few weeks.



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    Re: If the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams...

    You can bet your *** that Texas and Oklahoma are not going to be in the same division, Oklahoma St will have to be with OU because you can't have OU with 2 "protected" rivals on the other side of the conference.


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    Re: If the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams...

    Do and east/west separation to keep travel down but to separate Texas and Oklahoma I think would be good for the league.

    1. It separates the Texas teams so all teams have optimal road trips to Texas every year, which helps with recruiting.

    2. The possibility to have UT vs OU in the championship game would be a coup for TV ratings.



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    Re: If the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams...

    Texas and OU will not give up the Red River Shootout and neither would want to play a second time in a championship game.



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    Re: If the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams...

    Quote Originally Posted by TedKumsher View Post
    Best idea that will never happen (in my opinion):

    Base the next year's (or 2 years out) divisions on the order they finish.

    Division ONE:
    1st place team,
    4th place team,
    5th,
    8th,
    9th,
    12th


    Division 1:
    2nd
    3rd
    6th
    7th
    10th
    11th

    Extend the pattern for however many schools we have. Each sport would be done separately. Ideally, you base next year's divisions on this year's standings. You can never complain about one division owning another division (like the north used to be somewhat ridiculed in football compared to the south).

    Probably the biggest problem is trying to even out home/away per pair. Probably not too difficult in basketball, presuming the home/away for divisional foes and either home or away for non-division. However, for football it could really be hit-or-miss. You could miss playing a team for years and years. Maybe it could work like the NCAA tourney selection -- where you can go up or down 1 spot to accommodate regions.

    OR -- perhaps you could do a 2, 3, or 4 year rotation. Combined standings over 4 years determines the divisions for the next 4 years with some wiggle room to avoid repetitive redundancy.
    So... as an example last years standings would have made the divisions look like this (had Nebby and CU stayed)

    Division 1
    Oklahoma
    Mizzou
    Texas A&M
    Kansas State
    Texas Tech
    Kansas

    Division 2
    Oklahoma State
    Nebraska
    Baylor
    Iowa State
    Colorado
    Texas

    Well that certainly would give the Big XII a completely different look.



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    Re: If the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams...

    Have a draft.

    Football winner and Basketball winner get to pick divisions.



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    Re: If the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams...

    Quote Originally Posted by ajk4st8 View Post
    Have a draft.

    Football winner and Basketball winner get to pick divisions.
    so when we win both this yr how will that work



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    Re: If the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams...

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonedogg View Post
    so when we win both this yr how will that work
    We would become the power whore that Texas has been for years?



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    Re: If the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams...

    BYU is the obvious team to get back to 10 but also read that earlier when the Big 12 was looking at expansion, Louisville and WVU were two teams they were looking at. Thus with the Big East in trouble I could see them add those two teams to get back to 12. The conference could then split up in East and West divisions, maybe something like this...

    East:
    ISU
    KU
    Mizzu
    OU
    Louisville
    WVU

    West:
    Texas
    TTech
    Baylor
    OSU
    KSU
    BYU


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