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    How ISU stacks up against BCS schools

    I hate that when people see the name Iowa St on the players chest, they don't have a clue about the facts. People calling out ISU's worthiness are mostly ignorant or they believe only teams in big TV markets should have college sports teams.

    Check this out...ISU vs. BCS competition

    School...'10 ave FB attend...bowls since 2000...team revenue...men BB attend.

    ISU 45,395 6 bowls (3 wins) 46.8 million 12,491

    B 33,263 1 bowl (1 win) 49.9 million 13,623

    C
    24,532 3 bowls (2 wins) 39.3 million 7,323

    D
    52,575 10 bowls (5 wins) 56 million 4,763

    E
    46,864 5 bowls (1 win) 49.4 million 6,267

    F
    28,750 0 bowls 68.5 million 9,314

    G
    46,449 11 bowls (3 wins) 46.9 million 7,979

    H
    41,953 1 bowl (0 wins) 68.7 million 15,296

    I
    82,477 7 bowls (1 win) 71.8 million 9,889

    J
    54,999 3 bowls (2 wins) 38.1 million 6,878

    K
    40,042 3 bowls (1 win) 81.7 million 6,598

    L
    40,064 3 bowls (2 wins) 49.3 million 22,152

    M 49,513 8 bowls (3 wins) 73.6 million 13,453


    N 45,459 6 bowls (3 wins) 81.8 million 10,141


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    B...Vandy
    C...Washington State
    D...Miami
    E...Colorado
    F...Duke
    G...Georgia Tech
    H...Indiana
    I...Texas A&M
    J...Mississippi State
    K...Stanford
    L...Syracuse
    M...Minnesota
    N...Virginia


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    Re: How ISU stacks up against BCS schools

    Iowa State does get dirt kicked in it's face quite a bit for no apparent reason. Just goes with the territory until they start winning more games.



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    Re: How ISU stacks up against BCS schools

    The only difference is all of those teams are in stable conferences (except Cuse) and ISU is not.


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    Re: How ISU stacks up against BCS schools

    The problem is that you are comparing teams that are in conferences that are stable. Washington State doesn't have to worry because they are in the Pac 10, Vanderbilt doesn't have to worry because the are in the SEC. We do have to worry. It would have been better if you would have put the other Big 12 schools on there like Baylor, KSU, Texas Tech, OSU, Kansas.


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    Re: How ISU stacks up against BCS schools

    I think the point he's making is that ISU is just as relevant as many other teams in BCS conferences. Guys like Jim Rome saying "ISU has a big 12 lifestyle with a conference USA resume" don't know what they're talking about. They aren't saying that about any of the other teams on this list, even though we're on the level with them.



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    Re: How ISU stacks up against BCS schools

    Quote Originally Posted by heitclone View Post
    I think the point he's making is that ISU is just as relevant as many other teams in BCS conferences. Guys like Jim Rome saying "ISU has a big 12 lifestyle with a conference USA resume" don't know what they're talking about. They aren't saying that about any of the other teams on this list, even though we're on the level with them.
    Exactly, I don't think the OP was immediately making the connection with realignment, just more about public perception and media attitude toward ISU.

    No one will argue that football shitholes like Vandy and Wazzou are in better position for realignment talk. But to see that schools like Miss St., GA tech and Miami are not much different than ISU in actual achievements would definitely change minds.

    The media is so focused on "tradition" that they **** on teams that don't have much public perception of success because it's easy and they have to take minimal risk of ******* someone off.



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    Re: How ISU stacks up against BCS schools

    CW should post this on Twitter



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    Re: How ISU stacks up against BCS schools

    Quote Originally Posted by heitclone View Post
    I think the point he's making is that ISU is just as relevant as many other teams in BCS conferences. Guys like Jim Rome saying "ISU has a big 12 lifestyle with a conference USA resume" don't know what they're talking about. They aren't saying that about any of the other teams on this list, even though we're on the level with them.
    I think you're right about the point of the post. The previous responses are good to point out comparing to teams in stable conferences.

    Combining those two, I'd be curious how schools would be analyzed if a different conference was imploding. Somehow I feel like Wazoo, Indiana, Northwestern, Vandy and Duke wouldn't be hung out to dry in the same way, if shoes were on other ... um, "foots."



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    Re: How ISU stacks up against BCS schools

    Just keep winning. KSU was consider one of the worst jobs in Division 1 before Snyder turned things around. Perceptions can be changed.



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    Re: How ISU stacks up against BCS schools

    Reallignment is why people are talking about TV sets, and worthiness so this about realignment.


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    Re: How ISU stacks up against BCS schools

    Quote Originally Posted by PabloDiablo View Post
    Exactly, I don't think the OP was immediately making the connection with realignment, just more about public perception and media attitude toward ISU.

    No one will argue that football shitholes like Vandy and Wazzou are in better position for realignment talk. But to see that schools like Miss St., GA tech and Miami are not much different than ISU in actual achievements would definitely change minds.

    The media is so focused on "tradition" that they **** on teams that don't have much public perception of success because it's easy and they have to take minimal risk of ******* someone off.
    But tradition means a lot, thats why the name schools can get good again and there name is a national brand. even the decimated Miami will still have a lot of clout because it is a name even if they suck for the next ten years. That said bad reputations can hold you down as well. But winning changes everything.



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    Re: How ISU stacks up against BCS schools

    Quote Originally Posted by heitclone View Post
    I think the point he's making is that ISU is just as relevant as many other teams in BCS conferences. Guys like Jim Rome saying "ISU has a big 12 lifestyle with a conference USA resume" don't know what they're talking about. They aren't saying that about any of the other teams on this list, even though we're on the level with them.
    Yeah. That was my point. I understand that if you're in the PAC, the Big 10, SEC, or ACC that you'll always be safe no matter how bad you may be. But if all the media is going to do is question some school's "worthiness" then you'd better...

    1. question the worthiness of all "safe" teams
    2. look more at objective facts than public opinion

    I understand that at the end of the day only teams from the Big 12 and Big East may get left out and that who gets left out comes down to 2 criteria

    1. population in your home TV market...OR
    2. national branding in football (which equates to tradition)

    I just hate people throwing ISU under the bus when they have no idea how ISU's objective #'s stack up against some of those other schools.



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    Re: How ISU stacks up against BCS schools

    My other point was, "which one of the numbers above shows that ISU doesn't deserve to play with the big boys?" None.

    If that's true, then let's call it like it is and say we're kicking ISU out of the big boy conferences because they're not in a large TV market. Branding and large TV markets are how we will now determine the "worthiness" of college sports programs. Not academics, enrollment, facilities, overall athletic department success, or any other measure. University presidents, it's time for you to man up and call it like it is and say we're running for the money and we don't care who we hurt in the process.



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    Re: How ISU stacks up against BCS schools

    Quote Originally Posted by ShockRerun View Post
    But tradition means a lot, thats why the name schools can get good again and there name is a national brand. even the decimated Miami will still have a lot of clout because it is a name even if they suck for the next ten years. That said bad reputations can hold you down as well. But winning changes everything.
    You're exactly right, it makes it a lot easier for teams with down years to come back strong with only minor tweaks to rosters and staff. But the media will continue to favor schools with "tradition" in most situations even if they are going against schools who have achieved more recently just so they don't aggravate larger fan bases. For example, the number on people picking Iowa over ISU.

    Traditionally speaking, relative to the rest of the Big Ten, Iowa has done well. Whereas, ISU, despite having good success against Iowa (7-6 over last 13 meetings) is not as good relative to the rest of the Big 12. This leads media types to pick Iowa every time due to the perceived quality of their program and not actual results.



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    Re: How ISU stacks up against BCS schools

    Quote Originally Posted by cyman05 View Post
    My other point was, "which one of the numbers above shows that ISU doesn't deserve to play with the big boys?" None.

    If that's true, then let's call it like it is and say we're kicking ISU out of the big boy conferences because they're not in a large TV market.
    Good point.

    (And original point, too)

    As I posted here a day or two ago, the argument for whether ISU is "worth keeping" is selective.

    I'm beginning to think it's not all anti-ISU bias. I think some analysts realize Iowa State might get left out in realignment and it seems strange for a traditional big-conference member, so it requires justification.

    Other less-informed people pick up on the justifications, maybe consider recent athletic performance and jump to an easy conclusion.



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