Results 1 to 15 of 15
  1. #1
    Starter
    Points: 17,341, Level: 40
    Level completed: 12%, Points required for next Level: 709
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience Points
    Clone1450's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Kansas City
    Posts
    600
    Points
    17,341
    Level
    40
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 6
    Given: 0

    US News & World Report - College Rankings 2012

    US News & World Report has published its 2012 rankings of National Universities.

    Iowa State comes in at #97.

    Other Big10 and Big12 notable rankings: (lots of ties)

    Northwestern - #12
    Michigan - #28
    Wisconsin - #42
    Penn State - #45
    Texas - #45
    Ohio State - #55
    Texas A&M - #58
    Purdue - #62
    Minnesota - #68
    Michigan State - #71
    Iowa - #71
    Baylor - #75
    Indiana - #75
    Missouri - #90
    Iowa State - #97
    Kansas - #101
    Nebraska - #101
    Oklahoma - #101
    Oklahoma State - #132
    Kansas State - #143
    Texas Tech - #150

    ISU ranked as follows in other categoriest
    Undergraduate Engineering Programs #38
    *#2 in Biological/Agricultural sub group
    Top Public Schools - #44
    Undergraduate Business Program - #81



  2. #2
    All-Star
    Points: 13,620, Level: 35
    Level completed: 39%, Points required for next Level: 430
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    10000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    La Fox, IL
    Posts
    1,213
    Points
    13,620
    Level
    35
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2
    Given: 0

    Re: US News & World Report - College Rankings 2012

    Why does are we slowly falling in these rankings? When I started my undergrad in 2006, I believe ISU was in the mid 80's, now were barley in the top 100.



  3. #3
    All-Star
    Points: 27,249, Level: 50
    Level completed: 70%, Points required for next Level: 301
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    25000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    1,892
    Points
    27,249
    Level
    50
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 4
    Given: 0

    Re: US News & World Report - College Rankings 2012

    Looks like the AAU cutoff is around 100. Every Big 10/Big 12 school on your list in the Top 100 is in the AAU except Baylor. Every school from 101+ is outside the AAU except Kansas.



  4. #4
    Speechless
    Points: 736,494, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 87.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteranCreated Album pictures50000 Experience PointsOverdrive
    Cyclonepride's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    A pineapple under the sea
    Posts
    47,926
    Points
    736,494
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,544
    Given: 733

    Re: US News & World Report - College Rankings 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by SCNCY View Post
    Why does are we slowly falling in these rankings? When I started my undergrad in 2006, I believe ISU was in the mid 80's, now were barley in the top 100.
    Why does are we? No idea



  5. #5
    Speechless
    Points: 409,876, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 23.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    alarson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    West Des Moines, IA
    Posts
    21,351
    Points
    409,876
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 458
    Given: 199

    Re: US News & World Report - College Rankings 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by SCNCY View Post
    Why does are we slowly falling in these rankings? When I started my undergrad in 2006, I believe ISU was in the mid 80's, now were barley in the top 100.
    Probably because we are. Decreasing state support (sadly one of the few things it seems both parties are ok with) year over year is diminishing the school.



  6. #6
    Legend
    Points: 141,565, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 20.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsVeteranOverdrive
    Judoka's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Timbuktu
    Posts
    10,615
    Points
    141,565
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 505
    Given: 561

    Re: US News & World Report - College Rankings 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by SCNCY View Post
    Why does are we slowly falling in these rankings? When I started my undergrad in 2006, I believe ISU was in the mid 80's, now were barley in the top 100.
    This breaks down how they do the ranking (though not as detailed as one might like)

    Iowa State University | Rankings | Best College | US News

    Easy to see a few places where we'll have fallen due to decreased state support
    -# of full time faculty (more use of adjuncts)
    -Classes with less than 20 students
    -Classes with more than 50 students

    Others are stuff that hurts us as a state school, but also hurts pretty much all state schools
    -Fall 2010 acceptance rate
    -Student Selectivity Rank
    -SAT/ACT 25th-75th percentile

    No idea why "High School Counselor Score" is included, but at least this isn't like some surveys that include stuff like online surveys on ratemyproffesor.com and 4 year graduation rates. However, there are a lot of things that seem redundant in ways that cause things like larger class sizes and admitting most students who apply to ding us multiple times rather than just once. Regardless though, ISU needs to make something happen before we fall out of the top 100. Too bad we aren't in the CIC. That would probably be worth a few places just by itself.



  7. #7
    Legend
    Points: 141,565, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 20.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsVeteranOverdrive
    Judoka's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Timbuktu
    Posts
    10,615
    Points
    141,565
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 505
    Given: 561

    Re: US News & World Report - College Rankings 2012

    Looking a little closer, it's obvious they don't exactly exhaustively look into the university - for example the "Online Programs" portion only lists stuff in Family and Consumer Sciences despite the fact that Iowa State has a very robust online engineering masters program.



  8. #8
    Prospect
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Under your bed
    Posts
    60
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 0
    Given: 0

    Re: US News & World Report - College Rankings 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by alarson View Post
    Probably because we are. Decreasing state support (sadly one of the few things it seems both parties are ok with) year over year is diminishing the school.

    good point. with all the extra revenue the state is bringing in, we should increase support.


    I am now Vintageclone, Inc. I am a Corporate SuperPerson(TM). I am immortal, my liability is limited, and I own the government. Just do what I say and nobody gets hurt.

  9. #9
    Speechless
    Points: 409,876, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 23.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    alarson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    West Des Moines, IA
    Posts
    21,351
    Points
    409,876
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 458
    Given: 199

    Re: US News & World Report - College Rankings 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by vintageclone View Post
    good point. with all the extra revenue the state is bringing in, we should increase support.
    You might have a point, if the universities werent taking financial hits during the good times too. Theyve taken an extremely disproportionate share of the cuts over the last decade.



  10. #10
    All-Star
    Points: 28,634, Level: 51
    Level completed: 99%, Points required for next Level: 16
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    1 year registered25000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    1,957
    Points
    28,634
    Level
    51
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 0
    Given: 0

    Re: US News & World Report - College Rankings 2012

    I've never been a big fan of the way US News does their rankings. Or did their rankings. I wasn't about to pay to find out their recent change in methodology. But I do remember that "perception" and "reputation" seemed to play a disproportionate role in the rankings. I think money in the form of endowments also played a large role. But that could have changed.



  11. #11
    Rookie
    Points: 13,037, Level: 34
    Level completed: 56%, Points required for next Level: 313
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience Points
    Cyclones423's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Des Moines, IA
    Posts
    368
    Points
    13,037
    Level
    34
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 30
    Given: 275

    Re: US News & World Report - College Rankings 2012

    Let's not forget #20 for Printmaking under the Fine Arts category.



  12. #12
    Walk On
    Points: 7,331, Level: 25
    Level completed: 57%, Points required for next Level: 219
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Johnston
    Posts
    223
    Points
    7,331
    Level
    25
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 0
    Given: 0

    Re: US News & World Report - College Rankings 2012

    An interesting stat that may only be interesting to me. There are 12 states with multiple public universities in the top 100 and Iowa is one of them. Pretty impressive given our size.

    California has 8, Virginia has 3, and Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Texas, Ohio, Iowa, New York, and Colorado each have 2.



  13. #13
    Addict
    Points: 173,898, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    RayShimley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Montreal, QC
    Posts
    6,032
    Points
    173,898
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 73
    Given: 27

    Re: US News & World Report - College Rankings 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by cyman05 View Post
    Looks like the AAU cutoff is around 100. Every Big 10/Big 12 school on your list in the Top 100 is in the AAU except Baylor. Every school from 101+ is outside the AAU except Kansas.
    The AAU is more concerned with research dollars awarded and publications, wheras these rankings are more about quality of education offered. Not that the latter isn't important, but ISU generally ranks much better when just considering the quality of research being conducted.



  14. #14
    Recruit
    Points: 5,086, Level: 21
    Level completed: 8%, Points required for next Level: 464
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Annapolis
    Posts
    98
    Points
    5,086
    Level
    21
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2
    Given: 0

    Re: US News & World Report - College Rankings 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by RayShimley View Post
    The AAU is more concerned with research dollars awarded and publications, wheras these rankings are more about quality of education offered. Not that the latter isn't important, but ISU generally ranks much better when just considering the quality of research being conducted.

    Based on the criteria, the US news rankings give very little weight to the actual quality of education being provided, and much more to opinion and spending/giving.

    The following are elements in the US News rankings.
    • Peer assessment: a survey of the institution's reputation among presidents, provosts, and admissions deans of other institutions (15%)
    • Guidance Counselor assessment: a survey of the institution's reputation among approximately 1,800 high school guidance counselors (7.5%)
    • Retention: six–year graduation rate and first–year student retention rate (20%)
    • Faculty resources: average class size, faculty salary, faculty degree level, student-faculty ratio, and proportion of full–time faculty (20%)
    • Student selectivity: standardized test scores of admitted students, proportion of admitted students in upper percentiles of their high school class, and proportion of applicants accepted (15%)
    • Financial resources: per–student spending (10%)
    • Graduation rate performance: difference between expected and actual graduation rate (7.5%)
    • Alumni giving rate (5%)



  15. #15
    Speechless
    Points: 400,731, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 50.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialOverdriveVeteran50000 Experience Points
    Wesley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Omaha
    Posts
    59,318
    Points
    400,731
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 614
    Given: 389

    Re: US News & World Report - College Rankings 2012

    And Nebby is the lowest by 20 places ranking in the Big ten. Football must have been the determinant for their entry.


    Let my Fred's Posse Ride: Georges, Naz, Hogue, Bryce, Nader, Monte, Matt, and McKay.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
  • TV: TBD
  • Iowa State vs. Oklahoma
  • November 1, 2014
  • 07:00 PM