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    Preseason Prediction ISU and Big "12"

    I'm taking the plunge.

    I put ISU's record one win above my gut-instinct, but a couple of wins short of what I hope Rhoads could reach in Year 3. i see several close games against strong teams being close, but going the wrong way.

    As for the conference as a whole, I see some strange results almost top-to-bottom: a few lower-tier teams pulling upsets, and upper-level teams laying a few eggs.

    I included scores for ISU games. I rarely come close on that.

    Final regular season standings
    Oklahoma 9-0 11-1
    Texas A&M 6-3 8-4
    Missouri 6-3 8-4
    Texas 6-3 9-3
    Okla State 5-4 8-4
    Kansas St 4-5 6-6
    Texas Tech 3-6 5-7
    Iowa State 3-6 5-7
    Baylor 2-7 5-7
    Kansas 1-8 3-9

    IOWA STATE (5-7, 3-6)
    W Northern Iowa, 30-7
    L Iowa, 24-10
    W @Connecticut, 26-20
    L Texas, 27-17
    W @Baylor, 23-21
    L @Missouri, 28-14
    L Texas A&M, 31-13
    L @Texas Tech, 35-28
    W Kansas, 27-10
    L Oklahoma St., 27-20
    L @Oklahoma, 42-10
    W @Kansas St., 27-24 OT

    BAYLOR (5-7, 2-7)
    W TCU
    W Stephen F. Austin
    W Rice
    L @Kansas St.
    L Iowa St.
    L @Texas A&M
    L @Oklahoma St.
    W Missouri
    L @Kansas
    L Oklahoma
    W Texas Tech
    L Texas

    KANSAS (3-9, 1-8)
    W McNeese State
    W Northern Illinois
    L @Georgia Tech
    L Texas Tech
    L @Oklahoma St.
    L Oklahoma
    L Kansas St.
    L @Texas
    L @Iowa St.
    W Baylor
    L @Texas A&M
    L Missouri

    KANSAS STATE (6-6, 4-5)
    W Eastern Kentucky
    W Kent St.
    L @Miami (Fla.)
    W Baylor
    L Missouri
    W @Texas Tech
    W @Kansas
    L Oklahoma
    L @Oklahoma St.
    W Texas A&M
    L @Texas
    L Iowa St.

    MISSOURI (8-4, 6-3)
    W Miami (Ohio)
    L @Arizona St.
    W Western Illinois
    L @Oklahoma
    W @Kansas St.
    W Iowa St.
    W Oklahoma St.
    L @Texas A&M
    L @Baylor
    W Texas
    W Texas Tech
    W @Kansas

    OKLAHOMA (11-1, 9-0)
    W Tulsa
    L @Florida St.
    W Missouri
    W Ball St.
    W @Texas
    W @Kansas
    W Texas Tech
    W @Kansas St.
    W Texas A&M
    W @Baylor
    W Iowa St.
    W @Oklahoma St.

    OKLAHOMA STATE (8-4, 5-4)
    W La.-Lafayette
    W Arizona
    W @Tulsa
    L @Texas A&M
    W Kansas
    L @Texas
    L @Missouri
    W Baylor
    W Kansas St.
    W @Texas Tech
    W @Iowa St.
    L Oklahoma

    TEXAS (9-3, 6-3)
    W Rice
    W BYU
    W @UCLA
    W @Iowa St.
    L Oklahoma
    W Oklahoma St.
    W Kansas
    W Texas Tech
    L @Missouri
    W Kansas St.
    L @Texas A&M
    W @Baylor

    TEXAS A&M (8-4, 6-3)
    W SMU
    W Idaho
    W Oklahoma St.
    L Arkansas
    L @Texas Tech
    W Baylor
    W @Iowa St.
    W Missouri
    L @Oklahoma
    L @Kansas St.
    W Kansas
    W Texas

    TEXAS TECH (5-7, 3-6)
    W Texas State-San Marcos
    W @New Mexico
    L Nevada
    W @Kansas
    W Texas A&M
    L Kansas St.
    L @Oklahoma
    W Iowa St.
    L @Texas
    L Oklahoma St.
    L @Missouri
    L @Baylor



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    Re: Preseason Prediction ISU and Big "12"

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclones500 View Post
    I'm taking the plunge.

    I put ISU's record one win above my gut-instinct, but a couple of wins short of what I hope Rhoads could reach in Year 3. i see several close games against strong teams being close, but going the wrong way.

    As for the conference as a whole, I see some strange results almost top-to-bottom: a few lower-tier teams pulling upsets, and upper-level teams laying a few eggs.

    I included scores for ISU games. I rarely come close on that.

    Final regular season standings
    Oklahoma 9-0 11-1
    Texas A&M 6-3 8-4
    Missouri 6-3 8-4
    Texas 6-3 9-3
    Okla State 5-4 8-4
    Kansas St 4-5 6-6
    Texas Tech 3-6 5-7
    Iowa State 3-6 5-7
    Baylor 2-7 5-7
    Kansas 1-8 3-9

    IOWA STATE (5-7, 3-6)
    W Northern Iowa, 30-7
    L Iowa, 24-10
    W @Connecticut, 26-20
    L Texas, 27-17
    W @Baylor, 23-21
    L @Missouri, 28-14
    L Texas A&M, 31-13
    L @Texas Tech, 35-28
    W Kansas, 27-10
    L Oklahoma St., 27-20
    L @Oklahoma, 42-10
    W @Kansas St., 27-24 OT

    BAYLOR (5-7, 2-7)
    W TCU
    W Stephen F. Austin
    W Rice
    L @Kansas St.
    L Iowa St.
    L @Texas A&M
    L @Oklahoma St.
    W Missouri
    L @Kansas
    L Oklahoma
    W Texas Tech
    L Texas

    KANSAS (3-9, 1-8)
    W McNeese State
    W Northern Illinois
    L @Georgia Tech
    L Texas Tech
    L @Oklahoma St.
    L Oklahoma
    L Kansas St.
    L @Texas
    L @Iowa St.
    W Baylor
    L @Texas A&M
    L Missouri

    KANSAS STATE (6-6, 4-5)
    W Eastern Kentucky
    W Kent St.
    L @Miami (Fla.)
    W Baylor
    L Missouri
    W @Texas Tech
    W @Kansas
    L Oklahoma
    L @Oklahoma St.
    W Texas A&M
    L @Texas
    L Iowa St.

    MISSOURI (8-4, 6-3)
    W Miami (Ohio)
    L @Arizona St.
    W Western Illinois
    L @Oklahoma
    W @Kansas St.
    W Iowa St.
    W Oklahoma St.
    L @Texas A&M
    L @Baylor
    W Texas
    W Texas Tech
    W @Kansas

    OKLAHOMA (11-1, 9-0)
    W Tulsa
    L @Florida St.
    W Missouri
    W Ball St.
    W @Texas
    W @Kansas
    W Texas Tech
    W @Kansas St.
    W Texas A&M
    W @Baylor
    W Iowa St.
    W @Oklahoma St.

    OKLAHOMA STATE (8-4, 5-4)
    W La.-Lafayette
    W Arizona
    W @Tulsa
    L @Texas A&M
    W Kansas
    L @Texas
    L @Missouri
    W Baylor
    W Kansas St.
    W @Texas Tech
    W @Iowa St.
    L Oklahoma

    TEXAS (9-3, 6-3)
    W Rice
    W BYU
    W @UCLA
    W @Iowa St.
    L Oklahoma
    W Oklahoma St.
    W Kansas
    W Texas Tech
    L @Missouri
    W Kansas St.
    L @Texas A&M
    W @Baylor

    TEXAS A&M (8-4, 6-3)
    W SMU
    W Idaho
    W Oklahoma St.
    L Arkansas
    L @Texas Tech
    W Baylor
    W @Iowa St.
    W Missouri
    L @Oklahoma
    L @Kansas St.
    W Kansas
    W Texas

    TEXAS TECH (5-7, 3-6)
    W Texas State-San Marcos
    W @New Mexico
    L Nevada
    W @Kansas
    W Texas A&M
    L Kansas St.
    L @Oklahoma
    W Iowa St.
    L @Texas
    L Oklahoma St.
    L @Missouri
    L @Baylor
    Seems like a lot of hard work for some really bad predictions, but more power too you for at least throwing it out there in such splendid detail.


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    Re: Preseason Prediction ISU and Big "12"

    Your prediction of Baylor seems to be similar to how people pick us to finish at the bottom of the conference every year regardless of what our team looks like: No research and just making assumptions.



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    Re: Preseason Prediction ISU and Big "12"

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    Your prediction of Baylor seems to be similar to how people pick us to finish at the bottom of the conference every year regardless of what our team looks like: No research and just making assumptions.
    Well said.

    The way I look at the Big 12 this year is like this. There is a top tier with OU, OSU, A&M and possibly Mizzou (but I'll wait to see how their offense clicks before adding them to the list). After that there isn't (IMO) that much that separates the rest of the league. I think KU could actually lose to NIU and have a miserable season, but I also know they have some athletes and a talented coach that could surprise the league (similar to how ISU did it in 09). KU's depth is nowhere where it needs to be, but anything can happen if they stay healthy. I can see them picking off KSU at home and possibly Tech, OSU or even ISU. KSU has some of the best JUCO transfers coming in that could make them better than advertised if they click with Snyder's system. Mizzou is going to be a stout defense this year but you still have to score points to win games. They could wind up with a season like A&Ms last year. Big upsets but big dissappointments too. OSU is going to win some games real big with their offense, but they could lose an unexpected game or two if they face a team and coach that really handles the clock well and just hangs around long enough. Baylor is a very talented team and is much deeper than they have ever been, but they have an offense that could doom them if they put the ball in their opponents hands. Still they aren't going to finish next to last. I think ISU turns the tables on the rivalry this year and beats the wildcats, but KSU is set up to possibly beat teams like OSU, Baylor and Tech. ISU is going to have another memorable win this year against a big name (ala NU in 09 and Tex in 10), but the predictions just don't make sense to me. Lose fairly easily to Iowa and then beat Uconn fairly easily. Beat Baylor at Baylor and then lose very winnable home games. Again, I applaud you for trying but it doesn't seem like the predictions take into account the overall quality of the conference and the fact that at least 7 of the Big 12 teams could beat each other on any given Saturday. 2 are just superior and 1 is slowly rebuilding. I could see 3 teams finishing 5-4 and 4 teams finishing 4-5 in the conference with one 6-3, one 8-1 and one 3-6. I just haven't figured out who those teams are yet.


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    Re: Preseason Prediction ISU and Big "12"

    You have KSU losing to ISU and Texas (who they have owned), but beating TAM?

    My gut on our schedule is that we beat one of TAM/Missouri this year. 5-7 again, unfortunately.



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    Re: Preseason Prediction ISU and Big "12"

    ISU finishes 8-4....Go clones



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    Re: Preseason Prediction ISU and Big "12"

    Baylor will not lose to Kansas and K State.


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    Re: Preseason Prediction ISU and Big "12"

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    Your prediction of Baylor seems to be similar to how people pick us to finish at the bottom of the conference every year regardless of what our team looks like: No research and just making assumptions.
    Fair enough. I'm torn about my BU analysis.

    (1) after a solid season in 2010, suddenly Baylor is a legit program in some expert circles, and I'm hesitant to join the hype until I see more than one bowl season in a 15-year span. ISU has been "Baylor North" in the Big 12, and I've rarely seen Iowa State picked in the upper half of the division and it's because of those same assumptions.

    However:

    (2) Baylor doesn't seem like a 2-7 team in the Big 12. Some of my toss-ups dipped the record from a 4-5/5-4 range because of where the games are played. Kansas is going to win a game, and Baylor looks like a possible victim, mainly because it's at KU I couldn't see many beatable teams for KU that were at home. I also have Baylor beating Missouri.



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    Re: Preseason Prediction ISU and Big "12"

    7-5

    Wins over:

    UNI
    UConn
    Baylor
    Kansas
    Kansas State
    Texas A&M
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    Re: Preseason Prediction ISU and Big "12"

    Quote Originally Posted by cycfan1 View Post
    You have KSU losing to ISU and Texas (who they have owned), but beating TAM?

    My gut on our schedule is that we beat one of TAM/Missouri this year. 5-7 again, unfortunately.
    My first prediction had ISU losing to KSU (again!), which put ISU at 4-8. I still think that's realistic, but when I decided to bump up to 5-7, it was among Iowa, KSU and Tech (as far as games I didn't pick as wins).

    Texas plays KSU at home. Win.

    A&M is at KSU I think A&M will be very good but will stub a toe. And that's the toe I chose.



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    Re: Preseason Prediction ISU and Big "12"

    My unscientific prediction...

    1. Oklahoma
    2. Oklahoma State
    3. Texas A&M
    4. Texas
    5. Missouri
    6. Kansas State
    7. Baylor
    8. Iowa State
    9. Texas Tech
    10. Kansas



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    Re: Preseason Prediction ISU and Big "12"

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    Your prediction of Baylor seems to be similar to how people pick us to finish at the bottom of the conference every year regardless of what our team looks like: No research and just making assumptions.
    Beats TCU but loses to Kansas? Yeah, don't think he thought that though.


    I see ISU falling something like this.

    Wins likely
    Northern Iowa
    Kansas

    Toss Up
    Kansas State
    Texas Tech
    UConn
    Iowa
    Texas
    Missouri

    Loses likely
    Oklahoma
    Oklahoma State
    A&M
    Baylor

    You have to not only think about talent, but also match up. Baylor and A&M are bad match ups for us. The same also goes for Ok State however I think they have less of a chance of tanking than Baylor and A&M.

    KState I almost put in the likely win spot because they lost all their skill positions, however this is on the road and Snyder is the coach. Like him or not, he does a great job getting the most out of his guys (reminds me of an ISU coach we have).

    Of the teams in the toss up category, I only expect Texas to be better this year. Texas Tech had too many losses just like KState. Iowa will have to be down, they have shown before that they can only maintain they high level of play for a few years before rebuilding again. I might be in the minority, but I also think Missouri will be way down.



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    Re: Preseason Prediction ISU and Big "12"

    IOWA STATE (8-4)
    W Northern Iowa
    W Iowa
    W @Connecticut
    L Texas
    W @Baylor
    L @Missouri
    W Texas A&M
    W @Texas Tech
    W Kansas
    L Oklahoma St.
    L @Oklahoma
    W @Kansas St.



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    Re: Preseason Prediction ISU and Big "12"

    UNI - Win, no reason it should be otherwise
    Iowa - Toss-up/Win. This game will be much closer this year, and I think Rhoads finally gets the monkey off his back. This is the best chance he'll have to beat Iowa since he started
    @UConn - Win. I think this will surprise some people, but UConn doesn't dazzle me, especially with a new coach
    Texas - Loss. This will be the most fun home game all year, but Texas gets us in the end. I don't see it happening 2 years in a row
    @Baylor - Win. I believe we have the personnel on defense to shut down RGIII. Hopefully our offensive production picks up; it could be a shootout if we struggle on D.
    @Mizzou - Toss-up. I have no clue what Missouri is gonna do this year. They lose Gabbert, but return other offensive players like TJ Moe. We'll see
    Texas A&M - Loss. Aggies are good this year.
    @Texas Tech - Toss-up. This one really depends how we come out to play that day. I think we win, but we never seem to play well down in Lubbock
    Kansas - Win. See UNI
    Oklahoma State - Loss. Like the Texas game, this will be a blast to be at. In the end OSU's talent outlasts ours
    @Oklahoma - Loss. Sooners are VERY good this year.
    @Kansas St. - Win/Toss-up. Like the Iowa game, Rhoads has a perfect opportunity to beat Father Time. Never count out KSU at home. Bowl eligibility could be on the line

    Optimistic prediction: 8-4
    Realistic prediction: 6-6/5-7


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