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    Will Missouri fire Haith

    This booster is saying Haith knew about it and o.k'd it. No way Missouri can keep him if this all proves to be true. Miami could get the death penalty in this whole thing.


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    Re: Will Missouri fire Haith

    This thing could get messy, It depends on what the NCAA does, most of the time penalties go to the school and not the coach so he will be free on his way, as many coaches have done in the past move on to another school and nothing is ever done to them. Missouri did nothing wrong and he has done nothing wrong at Missouri,as far as we know.



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    Re: Will Missouri fire Haith

    Quote Originally Posted by Knownothing View Post
    This booster is saying Haith knew about it and o.k'd it. No way Missouri can keep him if this all proves to be true. Miami could get the death penalty in this whole thing.
    my guess is the same stuff is going down at missou in a lesser degree. everytime a coach leaves a succesfull program that paid players and cheated, they do the same thing at every stop. See North Carolina. Not sure of the assistants name, but he did the same crap at Oklahoma, some where else, than at NC....

    so yes, they need to fire him.



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    Re: Will Missouri fire Haith

    The biggest problem is the perception. There is no way haith goes anywhere this year without the student body making fun of him and his players for this type of thing. I know the penalties stay at the school and that needs to change really bad. The coach and the school need to pay the price.


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    Re: Will Missouri fire Haith

    There's an overlying issue that needs to be resolved. When you see the amount of under the table deals going on known and unknown there is a major problem. There is too much money involved in a non-professional sport. This is where paying players legally is the only answer and have harsh penalties (Death Penalty) for programs who break the code. Right now its worth the risk to cheat, so what if they lose scholarships and a couple bowl games. Boosters and a couple years of prominance more than make up for it.

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    Re: Will Missouri fire Haith

    Quote Originally Posted by Knownothing View Post
    Miami could get the death penalty in this whole thing.
    This may be going a little far. The only reason that SMU got the death penalty is that they continued to cheat even after the NCAA levied sanctions. I don't think that Miami has gone that far...yet.



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    Re: Will Missouri fire Haith

    Quote Originally Posted by djcubby View Post
    This may be going a little far.
    I don't know if it is or not. The NCAA president was on ESPN this morning and basically said the penalties in place aren't working. Although he could not address the Miami situation specifically, he hinted harsher penalties are coming, possibly including the death penalty.



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    Re: Will Missouri fire Haith

    They have been cheating for a number of years, this should be factored in, it has been illegal the whole time whether they were caught or not. Having sanctions is a reminder that it was illegal? I think they knew the whole time it was illegal, and kept doing it.



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    Re: Will Missouri fire Haith

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCyclone06 View Post
    There's an overlying issue that needs to be resolved. When you see the amount of under the table deals going on known and unknown there is a major problem. There is too much money involved in a non-professional sport. This is where paying players legally is the only answer and have harsh penalties (Death Penalty) for programs who break the code. Right now its worth the risk to cheat, so what if they lose scholarships and a couple bowl games. Boosters and a couple years of prominance more than make up for it.

    Fix the problem, not the wounds.
    I just don't see how paying players is going to fix the problem. If someone is offering a 18-20 year old kid cash, they are going to take it. They aren't thinking about the ramifications to their program.



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    Re: Will Missouri fire Haith

    "The NCAA has always had the power to ban an institution from competing in a particular sport. However, in 1985, in response to rampant violations at several schools, the NCAA Council passed the "repeat violator" rule. The rule stipulates that if a second major violation occurs at any institution within five years of being on probation in the same sport or another sport, that institution can be barred from competing in the sport involved in the second violation for either one or two seasons. In cases of particularly egregious misconduct, a school can also be stripped of its right to vote at NCAA conventions for four years. The severity of the penalty led the media to dub it "the death penalty," and the nickname has stuck to this day.[1] The NCAA still has the power to ban schools from competing in a sport without any preliminary sanctions in cases of particularly serious violations. However, the "repeat violator" rule gave the Infractions Committees of the various NCAA divisions specific instances where it either must bar a school from competing or explain why it didn't."

    Just a little insight.



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    Re: Will Missouri fire Haith

    Quote Originally Posted by dtlantz View Post
    I just don't see how paying players is going to fix the problem. If someone is offering a 18-20 year old kid cash, they are going to take it. They aren't thinking about the ramifications to their program.
    You have to have penalties for individuals, Its not going to be an easy answer but there are ways to deter kids from taking illegal money, and that includes strict penalties, make examples out of the first few and the problem gets easier to control.



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    Re: Will Missouri fire Haith

    Quote Originally Posted by djcubby View Post
    This may be going a little far. The only reason that SMU got the death penalty is that they continued to cheat even after the NCAA levied sanctions. I don't think that Miami has gone that far...yet.
    You do realize it was suggested back in the late 1990s that Miami drop their football program due to their various scandals. In fact, they brought in the coach they did at the time (name is slipping me) in order to clean up the program. If they were sanctioned in the '90s and this thing dates back to 2002, you don't think this qualifies as "repeat offender"?


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    Re: Will Missouri fire Haith

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCyclone06 View Post
    They have been cheating for a number of years, this should be factored in, it has been illegal the whole time whether they were caught or not. Having sanctions is a reminder that it was illegal? I think they knew the whole time it was illegal, and kept doing it.
    So who's going to jail for this?

    And if they've been cheating all this time without getting caught, maybe the NCAA should shoulder some blame for not catching them??


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    Re: Will Missouri fire Haith

    Quote Originally Posted by Knownothing View Post
    This booster is saying Haith knew about it and o.k'd it. No way Missouri can keep him if this all proves to be true. Miami could get the death penalty in this whole thing.
    They could get the death penalty but, at a minimum, all Miami personnel who were involved and/or looked the other way (e.g. Paul Dee, Frank Haith, complaince staff, etc.) should be banned from further association with any NCAA institution for life. If there were any NFL or NBA agents involved, those agents should be banned from representing NFL or NBA players for life.



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    Re: Will Missouri fire Haith

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCyclone06 View Post
    This thing could get messy, It depends on what the NCAA does, most of the time penalties go to the school and not the coach so he will be free on his way, as many coaches have done in the past move on to another school and nothing is ever done to them. Missouri did nothing wrong and he has done nothing wrong at Missouri,as far as we know.
    This is only the case when the NCAA can't prove that the coach was either involved in the violations or had knowledge that the violations were being committed and did nothing about it. Right now it looks as though they might be able to gather enough evidence to prove Haith knew what was going on and did nothing about it. If they dig deeper they may be able to backup Shapiro's claim that Haith not only knew what was going on but was also involved in the violations as well. If they can do either of those then the NCAA can drop the hammer on Haith which will result in Mizzou looking for a new basketball coach asap.



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