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    Kerkhoff: Big 12 can survive with 9 teams

    Best read I've come across over the last few days folks. Blair is No. 1 in Big 12 coverage in my book. He quotes Jamie Pollard in this column.

    Big 12 can survive even if Texas A&M departs - KansasCity.com



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    Re: Kerkhoff: Big 12 can survive with 9 teams

    No one had really came out with this scenario before, but reality it is the best scenario outside of everyone staying put. Best of all, like mentioned in another thread, this would mean even more money over the next 3 years for ISU!



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    Re: Kerkhoff: Big 12 can survive with 9 teams

    The more that I think about this, if you know for sure that the league is going to stay together, playing with nine or adding a BYU (whoever) might actually work out well for Iowa State.

    The 9 team league would be great. You'd get that non-con game back, essentially replacing A&M with North Dakota State on Iowa State's schedule every year. Still, I find it hard to believe that a 9 team league would have a long term future. But who knows?



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    Re: Kerkhoff: Big 12 can survive with 9 teams

    Adding the non-con game is great.

    But there isn't stability at 9 teams. You deal with all of the hypotheticals. Eventually those poke long enough to become at least a perceived reality, and things break up.

    This would probably be a good day to be talking to BYU and Louisville, maybe another team.


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    Re: Kerkhoff: Big 12 can survive with 9 teams

    I think a nine team conference is a great way to go. Four non-conference games for football would be great and you would be dividing the pie by nine instead of ten. As frustrating as this is, it may actually benefit the conference if A & M were to leave.



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    Re: Kerkhoff: Big 12 can survive with 9 teams

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    Adding the non-con game is great.

    But there isn't stability at 9 teams. You deal with all of the hypotheticals. Eventually those poke long enough to become at least a perceived reality, and things break up.

    This would probably be a good day to be talking to BYU and Louisville, maybe another team.
    I disagree that there is no stability with nine. If you have Texas and Oklahoma as anchors you are not going to lose your BCS status. Texas and Oklahoma would love this setup because they would increase their odds of being in a BCS game on an annual basis.



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    Re: Kerkhoff: Big 12 can survive with 9 teams

    If A&M left and we were able to pick up BYU, I've got to believe that would be good for the conference. Maybe that's a big "if".



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    Re: Kerkhoff: Big 12 can survive with 9 teams

    My question is... if the SEC added A&M, who else would they add? Wouldn't make sense for them to operate as a 13-team league. They would have to add one or 3 more teams... possibly from the Big 12.



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    Re: Kerkhoff: Big 12 can survive with 9 teams

    There is absolutely no way the B12 survives for more than a year or two with nine teams. The SEC is not going to have a 13 team conference. There will plenty additional moves coming if A&M goes.



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    Re: Kerkhoff: Big 12 can survive with 9 teams

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    Adding the non-con game is great.

    But there isn't stability at 9 teams. You deal with all of the hypotheticals. Eventually those poke long enough to become at least a perceived reality, and things break up.

    This would probably be a good day to be talking to BYU and Louisville, maybe another team.
    The whole thing boils down to the fact that it makes absolutely no sense for a conference to have more than 12 teams - especially one like the SEC that is already loaded with powerhouses. Unless they are going to kick Vandy or Kentucky out, A&M ain't going to be an SEC member.

    There isn't stability EVER. Conferences have been shifting and changing for the last 120 years, even if the Big 12 gets back to 12 teams it's not going to make the conference more stable, things are always going to change. Somebody's always looking for a better deal.


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    Re: Kerkhoff: Big 12 can survive with 9 teams

    he doesn't address, at least in depth, how losing a team like A & M will affect the conference's standing in strength recognition. I think his viewpoint is mostly based on wishful thinking. If A & M leaves and is not replaced by another reputable school it will surely hurt the Big 12's chance of surviving.


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    Re: Kerkhoff: Big 12 can survive with 9 teams

    Quote Originally Posted by benjay View Post
    If A&M left and we were able to pick up BYU, I've got to believe that would be good for the conference. Maybe that's a big "if".
    That would be the key.

    If this thing happens, we would really need to get somebody decent in here, both to ensure the remaining teams that things were stable, thus discouraging their own jumping off, and to create the perception nationally.

    If you're seen as the unstable conference waiting to collapse, people will work that way. Eventually it happens.

    We can spin and make ourselves feel good about a 9-team league, but at 9 teams, we still have folks looking for the door. Untenable situation there.


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    Re: Kerkhoff: Big 12 can survive with 9 teams

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyballz View Post
    The whole thing boils down to the fact that it makes absolutely no sense for a conference to have more than 12 teams - especially one like the SEC that is already loaded with powerhouses. Unless they are going to kick Vandy or Kentucky out, A&M ain't going to be an SEC member.

    There isn't stability EVER. Conferences have been shifting and changing for the last 120 years, even if the Big 12 gets back to 12 teams it's not going to make the conference more stable, things are always going to change. Somebody's always looking for a better deal.
    This is very logical. I guess I should have said "survivable" in place of stable. That's more what I intended.

    Very good point on the shifting and changing conferences!


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    Re: Kerkhoff: Big 12 can survive with 9 teams

    In the end, I think you are going to see this push for mega conferences back fire. A nine team setup with a round robin schedule and no championship game may prove to be the most profitable and championship beneficial model.



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    Re: Kerkhoff: Big 12 can survive with 9 teams

    Quote Originally Posted by CloneIce View Post
    My question is... if the SEC added A&M, who else would they add? Wouldn't make sense for them to operate as a 13-team league. They would have to add one or 3 more teams... possibly from the Big 12.
    Missouri makes sense geographically and athletically. Not sure of academics.


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