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    Cubs' Inactivity

    It was mind blowing to me (and a lot of others) that the Cubs didn't move anyone except Fukadome at the trade deadline. It sounds like there was interest in Pena, Baker, Soto, and Aramis. And yet the Cubs do nothing. They have the 6th highest payroll and one of the worst records in the league.

    And then I hear Tom Verducci on Dan Patrick this morning saying the Cubs were telling teams that they weren't going to move anyone for any price.

    Makes no sense to me...



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    Re: Cubs' Inactivity

    Would you rather them say that no one wants our overpaid old players. I bet they took the temperature of the market and when you compare Alphonso to Pence or Bourn there is no comparison.


    When you get under bad contracts, its hard to move them. (See Jeff Suppan. The brewers ate $12MM worth of his contract because they got in a bad contract)



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    Re: Cubs' Inactivity

    Quote Originally Posted by cycloneworld View Post
    It was mind blowing to me (and a lot of others) that the Cubs didn't move anyone except Fukadome at the trade deadline. It sounds like there was interest in Pena, Baker, Soto, and Aramis. And yet the Cubs do nothing. They have the 6th highest payroll and one of the worst records in the league.

    And then I hear Tom Verducci on Dan Patrick this morning saying the Cubs were telling teams that they weren't going to move anyone for any price.

    Makes no sense to me...
    It was reported on the MLB network this morning that the Pirates were interested in Pena, but had to go for D.Lee when the Cubs rebuffed them.



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    Re: Cubs' Inactivity

    I'll give Hendry the benefit of the doubt that he couldn't find a sucker, er, taker for Soriano and Aramis wouldn't waive his no trade clause.

    However, the fact that Jeff Baker is still on the team is a fireable offense IMO.



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    Re: Cubs' Inactivity

    The Cubs are trying to avoid a complete rebuild. It's frustrating, but they cannot just empty the cupboards. There appears to be no prospects ready to move up, or push the starters at this time. Good article in the trib by Phil Rogers this morning pointing this out.

    The off season should be very active. They are going to have to bite the bullet on Soriano, and add a pitcher.


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    Re: Cubs' Inactivity

    He could have at least tried to pitch Soriano to an AL team by saying "He's the best fielding DH in the league."

    If they bit on that line at all, he's got a deal.


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    Re: Cubs' Inactivity

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatllDoCy View Post
    The Cubs are trying to avoid a complete rebuild. It's frustrating, but they cannot just empty the cupboards. There appears to be no prospects ready to move up, or push the starters at this time. Good article in the trib by Phil Rogers this morning pointing this out.

    The off season should be very active. They are going to have to bite the bullet on Soriano, and add a pitcher.
    I think the pitcher they go after will have to be ace-quality. Dempster and Z just don't have it anymore on a consistent basis. Another Garza-like acquisition won't cut it.

    They're going to have to do something for 1B too. I don't really see them resigning Pena. Is there honestly a chance Fielder will end up in Chicago? I can't even tell anymore. Either way, they need to sign someone there too.



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    Re: Cubs' Inactivity

    They were discussing the Cubs this morning on the MLB network, and according to "insiders" the reason Hendry didn't want to go into Fire Sale mode (a la the Astros) is because they thought that would make the Cubs less attractive to a potential big free agent signing come the off season. So, I guess that can only mean that they are going to try and make a realistic play for Fielder or Pujols and don't want to appear as a club in rebuilding mode.



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    Re: Cubs' Inactivity

    An excellent Grantland article on this very topic:

    The Inexplicable Non-Decision-Making of the Chicago Cubs - The Triangle Blog

    And for those saying no one was interested in Cub players, that was completely inaccurate.



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    Re: Cubs' Inactivity

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatllDoCy View Post
    The Cubs are trying to avoid a complete rebuild. It's frustrating, but they cannot just empty the cupboards. There appears to be no prospects ready to move up, or push the starters at this time. Good article in the trib by Phil Rogers this morning pointing this out.

    The off season should be very active. They are going to have to bite the bullet on Soriano, and add a pitcher.
    I would much rather have a complete rebuild than be in the exact same situation next year.

    And they will need to add a helluva lot more than a pitcher next year...they need about 3-4 BIG pieces to be competitive.



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    Re: Cubs' Inactivity

    Sign Fielder and CJ Wilson in the off season and I'll forget all about what they didn't do at the deadline.



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    Re: Cubs' Inactivity

    Quote Originally Posted by cycloneworld View Post
    It was mind blowing to me (and a lot of others) that the Cubs didn't move anyone except Fukadome at the trade deadline. It sounds like there was interest in Pena, Baker, Soto, and Aramis. And yet the Cubs do nothing. They have the 6th highest payroll and one of the worst records in the league.

    And then I hear Tom Verducci on Dan Patrick this morning saying the Cubs were telling teams that they weren't going to move anyone for any price.

    Makes no sense to me...

    It seems like teams are much more protective of their prospects in today's game. I'm guessing that Hendry tried to move all of the players mentioned above, but if the other teams were insisting that the Cubs pay 80%+ of the remaining salary, and the Cubs were only going to get low-rated prospects in return, there isn't really any reason to do a deal just for the sake of doing a deal.



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    Re: Cubs' Inactivity

    Jayson Stark said it best.
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    We heard from enough Cubs fans this month to know exactly what they were hoping this deadline would bring -- an Everything Must Go closeout sale. On Alfonso Soriano and his $18 million-a-year fizzle. On Carlos Zambrano and his $17.9 million shenanigans. On Aramis Ramirez and his $14.6 million home run-or-bust act.
    Heck, these people even dreamed of watching the Cubs sell off guys they actually LIKE -- a Ryan Dempster or a Carlos Pena or even a Marlon Byrd -- just to change the mix and restart the engines.
    Unfortunately, that was impossible. Between no-trade clauses, contracts that acted like no-trade clauses and low-energy under-performance from so many guys on this roster, the Cubs headed for the auction stand with almost nothing they could sell, other than Kosuke Fukudome. And once Fukudome was gone, that's exactly what they did get moved:
    Nothing.
    "Now that," said one scout, "is a deadline loser if I ever saw one."




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    Re: Cubs' Inactivity

    Mind-baffling, but not surprising. I would rather be in rebuild mode for a year or two (or three) than stuck with a ****** overpaid team for another year or two (or three). This team is not one or two pieces away from winning the division.



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    Re: Cubs' Inactivity

    Quote Originally Posted by cycloneworld View Post
    I would much rather have a complete rebuild than be in the exact same situation next year.

    And they will need to add a helluva lot more than a pitcher next year...they need about 3-4 BIG pieces to be competitive.
    If you add an ace with Garza, Dempster, Zambrano, Wells, Cashner that can be a good pitching corp.

    If you add Prince Fielder for power. You have Fielder/Barney/Castro/Ramirez or Vitters/Jackson in the infield.

    Then replace Soriano with Campana/platoon with Byrd and Colvin in the outfield.

    Soto behind the plate.

    That is a competitive team on paper anyway. This year was a potential .500 team with a lot of injuries. Not much they could do.

    Really, they need better leadership. Someone to come in at president and challenge and direct Hendry. IMO he has too much power over the direction of the Club. We need a President with ideas, and BB savvy.


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