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    Joan 'The Weather Man' Miller

    Has replaced Joan 'The Mortgage Man' Miller.

    Today he enlightens his crew of squaks about the weather, and how temperature SHOULD be measured:

    It's hotter than what the heat index says - HawkeyeNation Forum



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    Re: Joan 'The Weather Man' Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by CyPride View Post
    Has replaced Joan 'The Mortgage Man' Miller.

    Today he enlightens his crew of squaks about the weather, and how temperature SHOULD be measured:

    It's hotter than what the heat index says - HawkeyeNation Forum
    I knew a Cyclone could go over there and correct The Weather Man. I'm sure there are other elements of his initial statement could be corrected as well.

    He'll try to wow you with his knowledge, but he wasn't hit with a knowledge stick......

    Just wait until there is a tornado - he'll really start to let his wisdom flow.......and blizzard? forget about it. 8' shovel, he got it....



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    Re: Joan 'The Weather Man' Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by CyPride View Post
    Has replaced Joan 'The Mortgage Man' Miller.

    Today he enlightens his crew of squaks about the weather, and how temperature SHOULD be measured:

    It's hotter than what the heat index says - HawkeyeNation Forum
    Cypride how ya doin, why the heck are you checking out HN. You should know all hawks a knuckle heads. Whens the last time you saw one in the Scheman Bld before a MBB game.



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    Re: Joan 'The Weather Man' Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by CyPride View Post
    Has replaced Joan 'The Mortgage Man' Miller.

    Today he enlightens his crew of squaks about the weather, and how temperature SHOULD be measured:

    It's hotter than what the heat index says - HawkeyeNation Forum
    My God... What an effin idiot.

    Heat Index is a measure of temperature and moisture (dewpoint). Thats it.

    Shade doesn't matter.


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    Re: Joan 'The Weather Man' Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by MNCYWX View Post
    My God... What an effin idiot.

    Heat Index is a measure of temperature and moisture (dewpoint). Thats it.

    Shade doesn't matter.
    Not to defend him, but here is a paragraph from our MPR weatherman here in the Twin Cities:

    A slight drop in dew points is seen for today. We may well see a few degrees of additional heat on the thermometer. That translates to Heat Index values of 105 to 115, in the shade, during the middle of the day. This is excessively sweltering when you add into the equation direct sunlight. Stay out of the sun today if you can. Unless you are standing in the lake.


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    Re: Joan 'The Weather Man' Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by isucyfan View Post
    Not to defend him, but here is a paragraph from our MPR weatherman here in the Twin Cities:
    Well, I've been thinking about that original point...that the "apparent temperature" or heat index, is higher in sun vs. shade, and I'm afraid I just don't know enough about all the various coefficients that go into the rather complex formula for heat index.

    I'm thinking that there may be something to that, as obviously your body is absorbing more solar radiation in the sun than in the shade, thus heating you more quickly. But what I don't know for sure is if that is accounted for in a lot of the various coefficients in the formula or not, so there may or may not be a point there.

    It's fully possible the effect of direct sunlight may already be accounted for in the coefficient values dealing with skin, though the more I think about it, I doubt that it is.

    His comment disregarding the guy talking about humidity being the bigger player, and that H.I. does not go below ambient temp is dead wrong however.


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    Re: Joan 'The Weather Man' Miller

    Here is a link to a long winded explanation talking about all the various assumptions going into heat index.

    It is a little dated (1990), and for some reason I think they may have redone the formula, so this could no longer be accurate. I know they redid wind chill, and for some reason I'm thinking they tweaked something here at some point.

    The "model person" used to create the formula is also a 5'7", 147 pounder, walking at 3.1 mph. You are also wearing a t-shirt and "long trousers." So, yeah, it could be an under- or overestimate if you don't meet that criteria



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    Re: Joan 'The Weather Man' Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by FDWxMan View Post
    Well, I've been thinking about that original point...that the "apparent temperature" or heat index, is higher in sun vs. shade, and I'm afraid I just don't know enough about all the various coefficients that go into the rather complex formula for heat index.

    I'm thinking that there may be something to that, as obviously your body is absorbing more solar radiation in the sun than in the shade, thus heating you more quickly. But what I don't know for sure is if that is accounted for in a lot of the various coefficients in the formula or not, so there may or may not be a point there.

    It's fully possible the effect of direct sunlight may be already be accounted for in the coefficient values dealing with skin.

    His comment disregarding the guy talking about humidity being the bigger player, and that H.I. does not go below ambient temp is dead wrong however.

    His original point was that temperature (he used the heat index for his example) was measured in the shade and that it was actually hotter in the sun. DUH.

    If he just found that out, thank goodness he doesn't drive a convertible with black leather seats......he'd be in for a rude awakening parked in the sun......


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    Re: Joan 'The Weather Man' Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by terryk View Post
    Cypride how ya doin, why the heck are you checking out HN. You should know all hawks a knuckle heads. Whens the last time you saw one in the Scheman Bld before a MBB game.
    Hey terryk - got to keep an eye on the criminals once in a while - some times you can pick up some of ways they are cutting corners, preparation plans put in place just to beat us - you know - like intentionally plugging field drains back in '08 - Joan over there is so deeply entrenched in the inner workings of the U OF I athletic department that he sometimes lets out some information that he has taken for granted........

    the thing of it is, that guy is so smart that you can't help but learn some good information while trolling over there.........

    how's life been treating you??



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    Re: Joan 'The Weather Man' Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by CyPride View Post
    Hey terryk - got to keep an eye on the criminals once in a while - some times you can pick up some of ways they are cutting corners, preparation plans put in place just to beat us - you know - like intentionally plugging field drains back in '08 - Joan over there is so deeply entrenched in the inner workings of the U OF I athletic department that he sometimes lets out some information that he has taken for granted........

    the thing of it is, that guy is so smart that you can't help but learn some good information while trolling over there.........

    how's life been treating you??
    I would get a hobby if I were you......



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    Re: Joan 'The Weather Man' Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by CyPride View Post
    His original point was that temperature (he used the heat index for his example) was measured in the shade and that it was actually hotter in the sun. DUH.

    If he just found that out, thank goodness he doesn't drive a convertible with black leather seats......he'd be in for a rude awakening parked in the sun......
    Whether or not the temperature is measured in the shade, I don't know. But if it is, then he clearly felt that people should know that. I know that that idea never occurred to me before, and there's a bit of a difference between 105 and 120 degrees. I don't think his point was that it's hotter in the sun than in the shade. If you honestly believe that's what he was informing people of, then you can't be helped.


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    Re: Joan 'The Weather Man' Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by tm3308 View Post
    Whether or not the temperature is measured in the shade, I don't know. But if it is, then he clearly felt that people should know that. I know that that idea never occurred to me before, and there's a bit of a difference between 105 and 120 degrees. I don't think his point was that it's hotter in the sun than in the shade. If you honestly believe that's what he was informing people of, then you can't be helped.
    you have absolutely got to be kidding........or are a typical tavern hawk, or both.

    please tell me where you went to high school......if my great grand kids are going to school there I'm going to ask their parents to move post-haste.

    of course temps are measured in the shade. if the sunlight hits the t'stat bulb, it will heat by radiation, not by conduction, as it does in the shade. The t'stat will not measure an accurate reading if the sunlight is shining on it.

    did you really not know that you'll get hotter standing in the sun as opposed to the shade???? if not, i guess kudos to 'The Weatherman' for keeping his fan base advised.


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    Re: Joan 'The Weather Man' Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by CyPride View Post
    you have absolutely got to be kidding........or are a typical tavern hawk, or both.

    please tell me where you went to high school......if my great grand kids are going to school there I'm going to ask their parents to move post-haste.

    of course temps are measured in the shade. if the sunlight hits the t'stat bulb, it will heat by radiation, not by conduction, as it does in the shade. The t'stat will not measure an accurate reading if the sunlight is shining on it.

    did you really not know that you'll get hotter standing in the sun as opposed to the shade???? if not, i guess kudos to 'The Weatherman' for keeping his fan base advised.
    You once again are missing the point. Any idiot knows that it's hotter in the sun than in the shade. What maybe some people DON'T know is that temps are measured in the shade (I didn't, and I'm sure there are a lot of people who don't). So, if a person sees a forecast calling for 115 heat index, and doesn't know that that is what it will (approx.) feel like in the shade, then it might be nice to know that little tid bit of information.


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    Re: Joan 'The Weather Man' Miller

    [QUOTE=CyCrazy;2309711]I would get a hobby if I were you....


    Oh i think he has a hobby



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    Re: Joan 'The Weather Man' Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCrazy View Post
    I would get a hobby if I were you......
    i hear ya - but when you get to be my age - and with all this heat - there is only so much to do.



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