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    Higher NBA Draft Pick Royce or HB?

    If we can agree that the CCL is stiffer competition than HS and having seen Royce in the CCL and HB in H.S. and 1 year at NC, who is the higher NBA draft pick next year if both leave?

    I have seen both play in person as many of us now have. I give the edge to Royce if he shows that he can defend the 4 and the 5. The offense is obiously there.



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    Re: Higher NBA Draft Pick Royce or HB?

    HB. Period. Let it go.



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    Re: Higher NBA Draft Pick Royce or HB?

    Royce is shorter than Godfrey. The NBA does not draft 6-6 PFs in the top 5 (which is where HB will go).



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    Re: Higher NBA Draft Pick Royce or HB?

    This isn't even up for debate. Barnes will be drafted much higher than Royce.



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    Re: Higher NBA Draft Pick Royce or HB?

    HB will be drafted higher. Although I think Royce has better handles.



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    Re: Higher NBA Draft Pick Royce or HB?

    Royce has to lose 30 pounds and/or grow 4 inches to be effective in the NBA. As he is, Royce can be a dominant college player. (...in my unprofessional opinion )



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    Re: Higher NBA Draft Pick Royce or HB?

    I will bite my tongue with the OP starting right now.



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    Re: Higher NBA Draft Pick Royce or HB?

    wow dont we ever learn that CCL isnt a good indicator? Bubu dominated last year



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    Re: Higher NBA Draft Pick Royce or HB?

    Question 1: Which is more competetive, the CCL or H.S. Basketball?
    If you agree that the answer is the CCL, then move on to question 2.


    Question 2: Who was more dominant, Royce in the CCL or HB in H.S.?
    If you believe that Royce was more dominant, please explain why this can't at least be a subject of discussion.

    I understand that right now, if you asked an "NBA expert", that the clear answer would be H.B. I'm not saying that he isn't a top five pick.

    Also, when the "College basketball experts" come out with their Pre-season Big 12 records, ISU won't be in the top half. I guess since the experts think we won't compete that you guys should just stay home this winter.



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    Re: Higher NBA Draft Pick Royce or HB?

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneNick View Post
    Question 1: Which is more competetive, the CCL or H.S. Basketball?
    If you agree that the answer is the CCL, then move on to question 2.

    CCL is not more competitive than H.S. basketball. Better players, yes. But they aren't competing very hard at all. Nobody gives a **** who wins. Some of the LEAST competitive ball you will ever see. Two 6-year-olds on a Lil Tykes hoop compete harder.



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    Re: Higher NBA Draft Pick Royce or HB?

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneNick View Post
    I have seen both play in person as many of us now have. I give the edge to Royce if he shows that he can defend the 4 and the 5. The offense is obiously there.
    You've never seen Royce play at the D1 level while we all saw the monster Barnes became in the stretch run of last season and you're seriously asking this question?


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    Re: Higher NBA Draft Pick Royce or HB?

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneNick View Post
    Question 1: Which is more competetive, the CCL or H.S. Basketball?
    If you agree that the answer is the CCL, then move on to question 2.


    Question 2: Who was more dominant, Royce in the CCL or HB in H.S.?
    If you believe that Royce was more dominant, please explain why this can't at least be a subject of discussion.

    I understand that right now, if you asked an "NBA expert", that the clear answer would be H.B. I'm not saying that he isn't a top five pick.

    Also, when the "College basketball experts" come out with their Pre-season Big 12 records, ISU won't be in the top half. I guess since the experts think we won't compete that you guys should just stay home this winter.
    Keep digging.



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    Re: Higher NBA Draft Pick Royce or HB?

    Quote Originally Posted by Senolcyc View Post
    CCL is not more competitive than H.S. basketball. Better players, yes. But they aren't competing very hard at all. Nobody gives a **** who wins. Some of the LEAST competitive ball you will ever see. Two 6-year-olds on a Lil Tykes hoop compete harder.



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    Re: Higher NBA Draft Pick Royce or HB?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrok View Post
    Royce has to lose 30 pounds and/or grow 4 inches to be effective in the NBA. As he is, Royce can be a dominant college player. (...in my unprofessional opinion )
    Last I checked the NBA likes their players to be strong. The guy isn't carrying around 30 pounds of gut, it's pretty much all muscle.

    People get so hung up on height it's hilarious. If a guy can play, he can play. Royce is listed at 6'8" and I know there are always the message board psychotics who feel they can accurately judge a persons height or weight by eye sight from 50 yards away who feel that he is shorter than that, but shockingly, I'm going to go with what ISU has him listed at.

    Off the top of my head here are some PF's of comparable size who have done well for themselves in the NBA:

    Charles Barkley 6'5"
    Larry Johnson 6'6"
    Dennis Rodman 6'6"*
    Elton Brand 6'8"
    Jason Maxiell 6'8"
    Elton Brand 6'8"
    Carlos Boozer 6'9"
    Shawn Marion 6'7"
    Chuck Hayes 6'6"*
    Carl Landry 6'9"
    Anthony Mason 6'7"
    Dejaun Blair, 6'5"
    Paul Millsap, 6'6"
    Clarence Weatherspoon, 6'6"
    Ben Wallace, 6'7"* (his height by his own admission)
    Wes Unseld, 6'7"*

    * - Played a good amount of center

    Common factor between these guys and Royce (barring the outlier in Marion) is that they are/were all extremely strong. To say that he needs to drop 30 pounds or he isn't tall enough to play in the front court in the NBA is all just ridiculous.



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    Re: Higher NBA Draft Pick Royce or HB?

    HB is a guaranteed lottery pick and would have been a top 3 pick had he come out last season. He'll be drafted higher than Royce. No question.



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