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    2005 vs 2011 talent


    Comparing position by position talent for the 2011 squad (based on the spring depth chart) versus the talent of our 2005 team


    Offense
    ......2005...............2011..................Better Player
    QB....Bret Meyer.........Jerome Tiller.........Meyer
    RB....Stevie Hicks.......Shontrelle Johnson....Hicks
    FB....Ryan Kock..........Jeff Woody............Kock
    WR....Todd Bylthe........Darius Reynolds.......Bylthe
    WR....Austin Flynn.......Josh Lenz.............Flynn
    WR....Jon Davis..........Darius Darks..........Davis
    TE....Ben Barkema........Kurt Hammerschmidt....Hammerschmidt
    LT....Scott Fisher.......Kelechi Osemele.......Osemele
    LG....Kory Pence.........Ethan Tuftee..........Pence
    C.....Scot Stephenson....Tom Farniok...........Stephenson
    RG....Seth Zehr..........Hayworth Hicks........Hicks
    RT....Aaron Brant........Brayden Burris........Brant
    2005..9 players
    2009..3 players

    Notes-
    -We really don't have a FB in the new system so I took the #2 running back for 2011
    -We have so many newer guys on the Oline and that really is a position that benifits from experience so I have to go with Pence and Stephenson for now. Brant and Burris is a bit of a toss up.
    -I don't think our starting lineup will look like this for our first game

    Defense
    ......2005...............2011..................Better Player
    RE....Cephus Johnson.....Roosevelt Maggitt.....Maggitt
    NG....Nick Leaders......Stephen Ruempolhamer...Leaders
    DT....Brent Curvey.......Jake McDonough........Curvey
    LE....Jason Berryman.....Jacob Lattimer........Berryman
    SLB...Jamarr Buchanan....A.J. Klein............Klein
    MLB...Tim Dobbins........Matt Tau’ fo’ ‘o......Dobbins
    WLB...Matt Robertson.....Jake Knott............Knott
    LCB...DeAndre Jackson....Jeremy Reeves.........Jackson
    RCB...LaMarcus Hicks.....Leonard Johnson.......Johnson
    SS....Nik Moser..........Ter’Ran Benton........Benton
    FS....Steve Paris........Jacques Washington....Paris
    2005..6 players
    2009..5 players

    Notes-
    -We are still rather young on defense but I see reason to be excited. I believe by the end of this season we will see a lot more current players in the last column.


    Special Teams
    ......2005...............2011..................Better Player
    PK....Bret Culbertson....Grant Mahoney.........Mahoney
    P.....Tony Yelk..........Kirby Van Der Kamp....Kamp
    PR....Ryan Baum..........Leonard Johnson.......Baum
    KR....DeAndre Jackson....Leonard Johnson.......Johnson
    2005..1 players
    2009..3 players

    Notes-
    -Yelk could coffin corner the ball like a pro, but I think Kamp is better and more consistent
    -PK is actually more of a toss up then I expected even last year, but I still think Mahoney is better, however just slightly.


    Thoughts?


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    Re: 2005 vs 2011 talent

    Im assuming you didnt mean to put "2009" at the top of one of your columns?

    I think some of these are yet to be determined. For instance, you have Hicks over Shontrelle. But if someone put a gun to my head and said, do you think that when its all said and done, Shontrelle will have a better career than Stevie? Id say yes without hesitation.
    You also have Meyer vs Tiller. But Jantz could end up being better than both of them. Time will tell.
    So my thoughts are, a bit too early to compare some of these players.


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    Re: 2005 vs 2011 talent

    Mahoney's % pales in comparisons to Culbertson's. Both are/were terrible though.

    I would take Moser over Benton.

    Wasn't Shawn Moorehead the starting DE opposite Berryman? I remember him playing more than Cephus Johnson.

    Woody is a better every down back than Kock.


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    Re: 2005 vs 2011 talent

    Wouldn't comparing 2004 to 2011 be more accurating considering how much ISU lost from those 2 yrs...



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    Re: 2005 vs 2011 talent

    pretty accurate i think. a few could be argued, but 2005 was a REALLY talented team. they should have done a lot more but thats another story.

    the only one i might change is picking one of the 2011 recievers over Davis.. that guy had some issues dropping balls if i remember right.

    ...also agree with LJ being picked over Hicks, but Lamarcus was pretty damn good!


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    Re: 2005 vs 2011 talent

    Agree with most of the list but it's a tough choice at RB for me.

    Some games Hicks was an all out beast, others he got lost at the LOS.

    Johnson definitely has a quicker burst from the LOS but won't be able to scrap out 3yd after contact like Stevie could.

    Hicks is better comparing stats, but I think Johnson has the potential to be better.



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    Re: 2005 vs 2011 talent

    How would you like that LB crew? Knott-Dobbins-Klein?



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    Re: 2005 vs 2011 talent

    Quote Originally Posted by delt4cy View Post
    Agree with most of the list but it's a tough choice at RB for me.

    Some games Hicks was an all out beast, others he got lost at the LOS.

    Johnson definitely has a quicker burst from the LOS but won't be able to scrap out 3yd after contact like Stevie could.

    Hicks is better comparing stats, but I think Johnson has the potential to be better.
    I hate speaking ill of Stevie, but there were many games where I was very disappointed in his ability to read the blocks and find the hole. (I'm glad he did have that one glorious second half in the comeback at KSU)

    Shontrell impresses me that he can both see the hole in the line, and turn on the jets to slip through.

    Every runner is a little different though.



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    Re: 2005 vs 2011 talent

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyhart View Post
    Im assuming you didnt mean to put "2009" at the top of one of your columns?

    I think some of these are yet to be determined. For instance, you have Hicks over Shontrelle. But if someone put a gun to my head and said, do you think that when its all said and done, Shontrelle will have a better career than Stevie? Id say yes without hesitation.
    You also have Meyer vs Tiller. But Jantz could end up being better than both of them. Time will tell.
    So my thoughts are, a bit too early to compare some of these players.
    Yes I did mean 2011. I did this a couple years ago and I stole the formatting, just forgot to change the date.

    I agree with your sentiment and said as much in my notes. I'm just basing my answers on the last depth chart available. This would obviously be more accurate just before the first game when we know for sure who are starters are.

    Also, I'm not trying to limit any of our guys. Right now our young guys just don't have the experience, in time though they may very well be better!

    One thing I do find disconcerting is that in 2009 we had a lot more guys beating out 2005 players. I don't find this disconcerting in the idea that we are getting worse, because I do believe we have more depth; however, we have undeveloped depth. This might make us really really good next year, but for this year it may very well be a tough year.



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    Re: 2005 vs 2011 talent

    Lamarcus hicks is better than leonard Johnson. dude was a stud.



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    Re: 2005 vs 2011 talent

    Quote Originally Posted by clone4good View Post
    Lamarcus hicks is better than leonard Johnson. dude was a stud.
    i think we under-rate leonard a little bit ourselves just because hes here right now and we take him for granted... LJ is on hell of a CB. Certainly the best one we've had since DeAndre and Lamarcus


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    Quote Originally Posted by Al_4_State View Post
    Mahoney's % pales in comparisons to Culbertson's. Both are/were terrible though.

    I would take Moser over Benton.

    Wasn't Shawn Moorehead the starting DE opposite Berryman? I remember him playing more than Cephus Johnson.

    Woody is a better every down back than Kock.
    I'd take Moser too. I'd also take LaMarcus Hicks hands down. The defensive unit in 2005 was better, mainly because the DL was so much better.



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    Re: 2005 vs 2011 talent

    Hicks was solid, but I think Johnson has more NFL potential.

    If we just had that same DL, LJ would have 1st round stats.


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    Re: 2005 vs 2011 talent

    That's the thing. I can remember Hicks and his great interceptions. When I think of LJ, nothing about him making plays comes to mind.



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    Re: 2005 vs 2011 talent

    Quote Originally Posted by clone4good View Post
    Lamarcus hicks is better than leonard Johnson. dude was a stud.
    Leonard is a stud as well, I think LJ will be better when it is all said and done, but I do agree. Right now Lamarcus Hicks was the better player, always felt he was a very underrated player. Not a dig on LJ, I just thought Hicks was that good. Both are outstanding though.



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