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    New W/L records against current Big 12

    After taking out win/loss records against Colorado and Nebraska.

    Total
    Ou 77-27 = 74%
    UT 77-28 = 73%
    KSU 56-34 = 62%
    TTU 62-43 = 59%
    A&M 58-47 = 55%
    MU 45-45 = 50%
    OSU 48-57 = 46%
    KU 28-62 = 31%
    ISU 27-63 = 30%
    BU 15-90 = 14%

    We only need two more wins than Kansas to move back into 8th for wins. Obviously much more need to catch up with everyone else. Very sobering despite having some better seasons over the past decade.



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    Let's just start over

    Kick some ***, take no names. The new Iowa State Cyclones in the new big 12. Texas and Oklahoma haven't always been unbeatable to have lost a quarter of their games.



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    Re: New W/L records against current Big 12

    My Thoughts: The first few years of the Big XII was weak & Kansas State feasted while on their upswing

    Baylor... i mean for serious....

    Oklahoma State has benefited from their recent upswing

    & lastly I will be jacking this but I will credit jaretac of CF for the leg work


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    Re: New W/L records against current Big 12

    If you want to see something funny post this on the Rivalries forum on TexAgs and watch the Tech Tards come out of the woodwork.




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    Re: Let's just start over

    Quote Originally Posted by koolclone View Post
    Kick some ***, take no names. The new Iowa State Cyclones in the new big 12. Texas and Oklahoma haven't always been unbeatable to have lost a quarter of their games.
    To give Texas Credit, they were hurt bad (in these new records) by losing Nebraska and Colorado. At the end of 2009 Texas was at nearly 80% in the old Big 12. With the loss of Colorado and Nebraska combined with a bad season they dropped to 73% in basically one season. To put that in perspective, ISU would have to win 10 straight conference games (with no loses) in order to raise our percentage by the same amount that Texas dropped this past season.

    On the flip side if we average 4 wins per season for the next 3 seasons, we will come up 3 percentage points. In my opinion that should be an attainable goal considering that won't even be 50% in conference play.



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    Re: New W/L records against current Big 12

    This is a very interesting stat listing.

    Probably the biggest surprise to me is that KSU is #3, especially with all the South is dominant talk.

    Also that TT is ahead of A&M and MU is right below that, especially when you consider fan's perceptions of where teams are. I'm sure most A&M fans and maybe even TT fans would be surprised to see KSU ahead of them in the standings. And TT fans have to LOVE being ahead of A&M!

    I think it is fair to say that competition and movement up and down of teams is probably the greatest it has ever been in the Big 12 right now.

    That offers great opportunity to the schools in the lower half and great risk or challenge to those who want to keep their standing in the top half.



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    Re: New W/L records against current Big 12

    After looking at this list it really does make me feel better that we were really on a whole level higher than Baylor. I'm a little suprised that they only won 14% of their conference games, that really is awful.



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    Re: New W/L records against current Big 12

    So I was slightly off on a few of my figures.

    BU= 14%
    ISU= 30%
    KU= 33%
    KSU= 61%
    MU= 52%
    OU= 74%
    OSU= 46%
    UT= 74%
    A&M= 55%
    TTU= 59%


    Also here are some more interesting stats, again with Colorado and Nebraska removed

    Against North Opponents
    OU= 80%
    UT= 77%
    KSU= 71%
    A&M= 67%
    TTU= 63%
    OSU= 57%
    MU= 49%
    KU= 47%
    ISU= 33%
    BU= 32%

    Against South Opponents
    UT= 73%
    OU= 72%
    TTU= 57%
    MU= 54%
    KSU= 51%
    A&M= 51%
    OSU= 41%
    ISU= 27%
    KU= 20%
    BU= 7%

    And if you follow this through with the new configurment.

    OU= 80x4=320, 72x5=360, 320+360=680/9= 75.5% expected
    UT= 77x4=308, 73x5=365, 365+308=673/9= 74.7% expected
    TTU= 63x4=252, 57x5=285, 252+285=537/9= 59.7% expected
    A&M= 67x4=268, 51x5=255, 268+255=523/9= 58.1% expected
    KSU= 71x3=213, 51x6=306, 306+219=519/9= 57.7% expected
    MU= 49x3=147, 54x6=324, 147+324=471/9= 52.3% expected
    OSU= 57x4=228, 41x5=205, 228+205=433/9= 48.1% expected
    ISU= 33x3=99, 27x6=162, 162+99=261/9= 29% expected
    KU= 47x3=141, 20x6=120, 120+141=261/9= 29% expected
    BU= 32x4=128, 7x5=35, 35+128=165/9= 18.1% expected



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    Re: New W/L records against current Big 12

    Quote Originally Posted by awd4cy View Post
    After looking at this list it really does make me feel better that we were really on a whole level higher than Baylor. I'm a little suprised that they only won 14% of their conference games, that really is awful.
    If ISU was in the south and Baylor in the north what do you think the percentages would look like? Do you think ISU would still have a higher winning percentage?



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    Re: New W/L records against current Big 12

    Quote Originally Posted by ricochet View Post
    If ISU was in the south and Baylor in the north what do you think the percentages would look like? Do you think ISU would still have a higher winning percentage?
    According to Jaretac's last post isu, although terrible, did have a slightly higher win% against the north and the south than baylor.



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    Re: New W/L records against current Big 12

    The most concerning aspect of this to me is that I think a safe argument can be made that Baylor is on a better trajectory than we are, and we no longer have the softer schedule playing only the north teams every year. Baylor has out-recruited us the last two springs, and they will do so again this year. If ISU is passed by Baylor on the field, that doesn't leave a lot of teams below us to trump. I think we are a better football school than Kansas. I think KSU and ISU will be battling to be in the next rung above KU. Then you look at Baylor, TTU, and OSU in the next tier up. Missouri and aTm 2nd from the top, and OU and Texas firmly in another dimension.

    That's a tough group of football teams. Maybe I'm over-estimating what Briles is doing at Baylor. Maybe you can't make Baylor into a consistent winner. If I'm giving them too much credit, that moves them down to our level leaving the bottom four teams having to sweep their peers and go undefeated in the OOC to become bowl eligible. The good news is that I think we will pull the occaisional upset of OSU, Mizzou, TTU, and aTm. If we happen to get two, maybe even three, in the same year, that's when we have a great year with a possible new year's bowl!



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    A new year's bowl, abide a BCS bowl, means almost nothing now....



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    Re: New W/L records against current Big 12

    Quote Originally Posted by Istate View Post
    The most concerning aspect of this to me is that I think a safe argument can be made that Baylor is on a better trajectory than we are, and we no longer have the softer schedule playing only the north teams every year. Baylor has out-recruited us the last two springs, and they will do so again this year. If ISU is passed by Baylor on the field, that doesn't leave a lot of teams below us to trump. I think we are a better football school than Kansas. I think KSU and ISU will be battling to be in the next rung above KU. Then you look at Baylor, TTU, and OSU in the next tier up. Missouri and aTm 2nd from the top, and OU and Texas firmly in another dimension.

    That's a tough group of football teams. Maybe I'm over-estimating what Briles is doing at Baylor. Maybe you can't make Baylor into a consistent winner. If I'm giving them too much credit, that moves them down to our level leaving the bottom four teams having to sweep their peers and go undefeated in the OOC to become bowl eligible. The good news is that I think we will pull the occaisional upset of OSU, Mizzou, TTU, and aTm. If we happen to get two, maybe even three, in the same year, that's when we have a great year with a possible new year's bowl!
    1- I see it similar to how you see it as to BU's trajectory. Recruiting is picking up although it still has a ways to go. The potential has always been there as a school with strong academics, hot coeds, and a location within 3 hours of each major texas metro area should have a good setup to recruit to. It has worked for every other sport so far but our admin pre-Ian McCaw really screwed things up. Bad hires, little support for football facilities until recently, etc was just the tip of the iceberg in terms of getting in our own way. The fact that we have broken the bank on our new DC Phil Bennett, the new practice facilities, and assistant coach salaries sends a big message in contrast to the past.

    2- I think ISU has a better shot than people give you credit for. A good coach can help turn things and Rhoads is very good. You have the toughest weather situation and distance situation to get TX kids but winning can trump that IMO. You have every bit the shot KSU, KU, and MU have although MU is ahead of both our schedules right now.

    3- Turner Gill is a good coach but the issue I always had with him was not KU hiring him, but who he hired as Coordinators.
    Chuck "3rd and" Long earned his nickname in Norman where any D with a strong DL pass rush would whip his OL and kill his QB who he repeatedly has taking deep drops. He took a strong mid-major offensive team at SDSU and ran the offense into the ground as HC. KU can't recruit the same talent as OU and I see KU struggling when their OL isn't senior laden and talented.

    Carl "Wow" Torbush: Nickname earned by this pic...

    Success came with Mack's recruits in a down ACC...
    Failure came as HC of that UNC team
    as DC at A&M...
    as DC at KU...
    and mediocre results elsewhere. KU's defensive scheme was poor to say the least last year beyond the simple talent issues and the athletes he could recruit at A&M (Johnny Jolly, Melvin Bullitt, etc) should not have resulted in the horrible defenses he turned out.

    I understand he has cancer now and his assistants will take over. I pray for a strong recovery for the guy as he seems to have a reputation as a quality person.

    So I see KU doing very little.



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    Re: New W/L records against current Big 12

    Dont we have 1 winning conference record EVER?

    Hard to put together any decent stats with that.



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    Re: New W/L records against current Big 12

    Great work. I never would have guessed Mizzou has better record against the South than the North, albeit slight.



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