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    Job question cont.....read

    Continued from a prior post


    Last edited by daniel22; 06-24-2011 at 07:29 AM.

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    Re: Job question cont.....read

    I don't see anybody giving you a raise if you said that in the review.

    I don't know the exact tone of voice and body language you portrayed, but everything you're describing there looks like a self-inflicted wound.


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    Re: Job question cont.....read

    Are you under the age of 25?




    when someone offers to give you more more, shut up and take it.......if you want to *****, do it when they are not giving you a raise.



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    Re: Job question cont.....read

    Quote Originally Posted by daniel22 View Post
    We are careless on what we do as far as programs and told him it makes it hard to do my job. I also mentioned that during my 6 months, I have been given little direction and not trained so I do not fully understand what my job responsibilites are.
    By the sounds of it, I think you came off too hostile. Instead of being on the attack you probably should have given solutions like I think this training would be good for me for this reason and I think this would be a good program to do and then try to lead it.

    I have learned that in the last year that government is very political no matter which department you are in. Also don't start too many fires.



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    Re: Job question cont.....read

    How is you getting a raise tied in any way to where you live? Seems like a strange qualifier. Government jobs are stupidly political, and those who survive are those who shut up and accept that their job is to be as much of a stalwart as possible. If you want to move up in the world, go private.


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    Re: Job question cont.....read

    Quote Originally Posted by daniel22 View Post
    I posted on here a while ago about my job and the issues that I had with my boss, the work, etc. Just wanted to give you an update. After 6 months I am eligible to get off probation (which every new employee is on for the first 6 months) and get a raise. We had a review session and he told me I was doing a great job and that I will get my raise. During the session, Itold him I was concerned about what our goals and expectations are as a department. I work in the parks department and our participation numbers are low, which I am trying to increase. We are careless on what we do as far as programs and told him it makes it hard to do my job. I also mentioned that during my 6 months, I have been given little direction and not trained so I do not fully understand what my job responsibilites are. I keep myself busy in other areas, but most of what I do is not associated with my actual job. Two days after I had my meeting he calls me to his office and recinds his offer for a raise stating that since I don't live in town, that I can't get the raise (which he said I would based on my work performance). He has known this for 6 months and now is concerned about my living situation and mentioning a place to live. It is in the manual regarding living, which makes his decision valid, but he knew of my situation before the review session. I personally think he is making this personal and regret turning down a position I was offered over the weekend.
    You are why people my age make fun of people your age. Your job is to work, if you can't intuit and adapt I might suggest joining the Marine Corps. It will prepare you for a world in which no one gives a ****.


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    Re: Job question cont.....read

    Not sure how you presented your questions and obstacles to your boss, but if I were you I'd find somewhere else. Honestly, why would you want to work for a boss like offers you a raise and then later rescinds that raise on a technicality that he should have known about in advance? And if he did know about it, was he skirting the rules? If so, how many other rules has this guy broken? See what I'm getting at here? Is he being vindictive because he viewed your questions/concerns as an attack on his leadership ability? Line something else up and then quit. Don't forget to tell your boss and his boss why. Do so diplomatically of course. Sometimes people get in a position that is "comfortable" and simply ride it out without providing adequate leadership and development of subordinates. This guy may be one of those. Next time you interview, you know what questions to ask (i.e. what are the goals of this department? What do you see as your role in the development of those on your team? Etc.).

    That said, if this is the career field you want to be in then you may need to bite the bullet for a time and during that time make yourself a viable candidate for a position where this guy is not your boss (or even better, where you are HIS boss!). Do some networking. Set yourself up for success.

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    Re: Job question cont.....read

    Quote Originally Posted by weR138 View Post
    You are why people my age make fun of people your age. Your job is to work, if you can't intuit and adapt I might suggest joining the Marine Corps. It will prepare you for a world in which no one gives a ****.

    Wow...someone woke up on the wrong side of the Select Comfort this morning. Some people just thrive on being a Mr Wilson.

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    Re: Job question cont.....read

    you should have taken the raise and after you got your first paycheck with the raise, then i would have ******* about the problems. if he says youre doing a good job take the compliment and leave it at that, you were obviously doing something right before the review



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    Re: Job question cont.....read

    Know when to keep your mouth shut, and when to speak up.



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    always speak your mind (in a respectful manner). Never become a mindless minion/follower that some would suggest.

    As a Ops Manager the last 15 years...I appreciate employees that speak their mind and don't just say what I want to hear.

    Those that want to follow silently can always join the military.


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    1- not the appropriate time to bring it up
    2- a good manager will appreciate your views if you do bring it up at the right time
    3- if you are going to bring up a problem, have a solution. Otherwise, you're just ********.



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    Re: Job question cont.....read

    Quote Originally Posted by daniel22 View Post
    It is in the manual regarding living, which makes his decision valid, but he knew of my situation before the review session.
    Sorry, but RTFM. You should have known the requirements about residence when taking the job and should have either asked about it or made a change so that you were following requirements.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Palmer View Post
    always speak your mind (in a respectful manner). Never become a mindless minion/follower that some would suggest.

    As a Ops Manager the last 15 years...I appreciate employees that speak their mind and don't just say what I want to hear.

    Those that want to follow silently can always join the military.
    As a military officer, I never had groups that followed silently. That's not really the military way.


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