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    Electrical Work: Patching over existing light fixture

    I'm remodeling my basement, and one of the projects I have is to replace 3 of the lights in the main room. My original plan was to put in recessed lighting for 2 of the fixtures, but today after taking down one of the lights, I realized there's only about 3" of clearance due to some duct-work above the box.

    I don't really need this light (it's in an awkward place in the room anyway), so I think I'm just going to patch over it. Does anyone know what I need to do to the existing wiring prior to patching over the box? I'd hate to finish it and then have the wires come loose and cause the other lights in the room to lose power from doing it wrong.

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    Re: Electrical Work: Patching over existing light fixture

    Quote Originally Posted by JY07 View Post
    I'm remodeling my basement, and one of the projects I have is to replace 3 of the lights in the main room. My original plan was to put in recessed lighting for 2 of the fixtures, but today after taking down one of the lights, I realized there's only about 3" of clearance due to some duct-work above the box.

    I don't really need this light (it's in an awkward place in the room anyway), so I think I'm just going to patch over it. Does anyone know what I need to do to the existing wiring prior to patching over the box? I'd hate to finish it and then have the wires come loose and cause the other lights in the room to lose power from doing it wrong.

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    Can you disconnect this box from it's power source (e.g., if it's number 3 in a daisy-chain, can you disconnect it at number 2 so no power goes to the unused box)? If not, I would think that placing a wire nut on each lead and then wrapping electrical tape around the base of each nut would work. The nut should stay on by itself, and the tape will keep things from poking up in there.

    I'm not an electrician, though, so this may not be kosher with electrical code.


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    Re: Electrical Work: Patching over existing light fixture

    My advice: Hire an electrician. Electrical work is the one area I won't mess with. Too much can go wrong.



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    Re: Electrical Work: Patching over existing light fixture

    Quote Originally Posted by iahawkhunter View Post
    Can you disconnect this box from it's power source (e.g., if it's number 3 in a daisy-chain, can you disconnect it at number 2 so no power goes to the unused box)? If not, I would think that placing a wire nut on each lead and then wrapping electrical tape around the base of each nut would work. The nut should stay on by itself, and the tape will keep things from poking up in there.

    I'm not an electrician, though, so this may not be kosher with electrical code.
    that was my first thought. the wire nuts should be ok but the tape would hold it. if you can disconnect the power from those wires you would be safer but you should be fine either way.

    but like the guy quoting, im not an electrician so dont take my word for it



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    Re: Electrical Work: Patching over existing light fixture

    Another vote for wire nuts. That's what all of the professional/licensed electricians do in our laboratory when we need to move electrical outlets around. Instead of traditional wire nuts, try these WAGO Series 773 Wall-Nuts. They are much more secure than screw-on wire nuts, and easier to install. I've gotten them from Menard's in Marshalltown before, they should be available at any hardware store.

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    Re: Electrical Work: Patching over existing light fixture

    I just took out 8 recessed ligths this winter and put in 2 ceiling fans and a new hanging light over the billard table. I was able to get all the excess wiring out and reroute the wires I needed for the new lights. Two of the lights I had to put in boxes in the ceiling and wire nut the wires together and taped them to get them long enough to reach the new spots, I then put a box covers over the electrical boxes. I ended up with the 8 holes for the recessed lights I took out plus 2 more holes I had to cut to run the wires where I needed them.



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    Re: Electrical Work: Patching over existing light fixture

    1 thing that hasn't been mentioned is getting a cover for the box before you patch over it.



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    Re: Electrical Work: Patching over existing light fixture

    Quote Originally Posted by cytech View Post
    1 thing that hasn't been mentioned is getting a cover for the box before you patch over it.
    friggin' details....

    But in seriousness, good catch. A cover is most-definitely needed.


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    Re: Electrical Work: Patching over existing light fixture

    Quote Originally Posted by besserheimerphat View Post
    Another vote for wire nuts. That's what all of the professional/licensed electricians do in our laboratory when we need to move electrical outlets around. Instead of traditional wire nuts, try these WAGO Series 773 Wall-Nuts. They are much more secure than screw-on wire nuts, and easier to install. I've gotten them from Menard's in Marshalltown before, they should be available at any hardware store.

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    Haven't seen those before; from the pictures i'm guessing they must latch on to the wire like outlets do (the holes on the back anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by cytech View Post
    1 thing that hasn't been mentioned is getting a cover for the box before you patch over it.
    i'll have to take a look and see if i can find a compatible cover next time i'm out as well

    Thanks for the help

    edit: oops, almost forgot.. i'll definitely look to see if i can disconnect it from the other lights first since that would be easiest, but i'm guessing it's the first light in the chain since it's right next to the switch



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    Re: Electrical Work: Patching over existing light fixture

    Lights should be wired in parallel, not in series, so you should be able to take them out of the "loop" without disrupting any of the others.

    The Wall-Nuts are awesome - just strip the wire and shove it into the hole. It's a pain the the but to get them out (twist with pliers while pulling like hell), but then you know they are secure and won't come loose like I've occasionally seen wire-nuts do. Keep in mind they are connectors, so you should put one nut on each wire. If you put one wire in each hole of a single connector, you are shorting them together. If you do ever decide to use the circuit again, just plug the new wires/device into the open holes and you're wired. We use these all over our industrial lab because they are easy to put together, touch-safe and have test ports to check for voltage.


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    Re: Electrical Work: Patching over existing light fixture

    Just cap and tape, and then put an electrical box cover over it. That way you can always get to it easily if you need to. It may not be as aesthetically pleasing as you want by patching it over, but easy.



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    Re: Electrical Work: Patching over existing light fixture

    I'm fairly certain that the National electric code requires all connections to be accessible and in a j-box. If you are closing it up you need to run new continuous wire to eliminate the connection or kill the power on that wire.



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    Re: Electrical Work: Patching over existing light fixture

    yes i agree. im not a technical person so the best advice is to hire someone very technical about this situation. that's what we did when we had a problem with our hinkley lighting problem in wiring.



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    Re: Electrical Work: Patching over existing light fixture

    Just put wire nuts on the wires, and then put a cover on the box and drywall away.


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    Re: Electrical Work: Patching over existing light fixture

    Quote Originally Posted by JY07 View Post
    I'm remodeling my basement, and one of the projects I have is to replace 3 of the lights in the main room. My original plan was to put in recessed lighting for 2 of the fixtures, but today after taking down one of the lights, I realized there's only about 3" of clearance due to some duct-work above the box.

    I don't really need this light (it's in an awkward place in the room anyway), so I think I'm just going to patch over it. Does anyone know what I need to do to the existing wiring prior to patching over the box? I'd hate to finish it and then have the wires come loose and cause the other lights in the room to lose power from doing it wrong.

    Thanks!


    Not enough info here for anyone to give you a solution. But that doesn't stop the CF experts from offering you a wide variety of tips!

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