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    cyclone starters on football team

    of the gentlemen penciled in the first string or potential starters on the current football squad, how many starters are chizzlestick's recruits and how many are paul rhoads recruits????anyone care to make a stab at the above question?thank you.


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    Re: cyclone starters on football team

    Quote Originally Posted by woodie View Post
    of the gentlemen penciled in the first string or potential starters on the current football squad, how many starters are chizzlestick's recruits and how many are paul rhoads recruits????anyone care to make a stab at the above question?thank you.
    Defense
    Lattimer- CPR
    Reump-chizdick
    McDonough-chizdick
    Laing-chizdick
    Maggit-chizdick
    Knott-CPR
    Ta'fo'ou-CPR
    Klein-chizdick
    Johnson- chizdick
    Reeves-chizdick
    Benton-chizdick
    Washington-chizdick

    Offense
    Tiller-chizdick
    Jantz-CPR
    Barnett- CPR
    Johnson/Woody/Hollis-CPR
    White-chizdick
    Money-chizdick
    Lenz-chizdick
    Horne- CPR
    Darks-chizdick
    KO-chizdick
    Tuftee-chizdick
    Farniok/Tautolo-CPR
    Hicks-chizdick
    Burris-chizdick

    Special Teams
    Vanderkamp-CPR
    Mahoney-chizdick


    I named possible starters as there are a few position battles. Also, guys like Klein, Money, and Reeves were recruited and committed to ISU before the coaching change and stated that they never wavered. chizdick did the footwork and got them to commit to the school so I give him credit. They would have been here if he stayed but if Rhoads was here we don't know if he would have recruited them let alone land them. Rhoads did have to keep them here but they were Cyclones before he got here.


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    Re: cyclone starters on football team

    QB- Tiller (Chizik), Jantz (Rhoads)
    RB-Shontrelle (Rhoads)
    TE-Hammer (Chizik), Brun (Rhoads), Howard (Rhoads)
    OT-Osemele (Chizik)
    OG-Tuftee (Chizik) Dika (Rhoads)
    OC-Farniok (Rhoads) Tuatolo (Rhoads)
    OG-Hicks (Chizik)
    OT-Burris (Chizik)
    WR-Lenz (Both), Reynolds (Rhoads), Darks (Chizik)

    DE-Lattimer (Rhoads)
    DT-Rump (Chizik)
    DT-Laing (Chizik)
    DE-Maggitt (Chizik)
    LB-Knott (Rhoads)
    LB-Klein (Both)
    LB-George (Rhoads), Taufoou (Rhoads)
    CB-Johnson (Chizik)
    S-Benton (Chizik)
    S-Washington (Both)
    CB-Reeves (Both)

    My attempt giving credit for the 2009 class to both that were commited before the coaching change, since technically it was both.



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    Re: cyclone starters on football team

    Quote Originally Posted by Yes13 View Post
    QB- Tiller (Chizik), Jantz (Rhoads)
    RB-Shontrelle (Rhoads)
    TE-Hammer (Chizik), Brun (Rhoads), Howard (Rhoads)
    OT-Osemele (Chizik)
    OG-Tuftee (Chizik) Dika (Rhoads)
    OC-Farniok (Rhoads) Tuatolo (Rhoads)
    OG-Hicks (Chizik)
    OT-Burris (Chizik)
    WR-Lenz (Both), Reynolds (Rhoads), Darks (Chizik)

    DE-Lattimer (Rhoads)
    DT-Rump (Chizik)
    DT-Laing (Chizik)
    DE-Maggitt (Chizik)
    LB-Knott (Rhoads)
    LB-Klein (Both)
    LB-George (Rhoads), Taufoou (Rhoads)
    CB-Johnson (Chizik)
    S-Benton (Chizik)
    S-Washington (Both)
    CB-Reeves (Both)

    My attempt giving credit for the 2009 class to both that were commited before the coaching change, since technically it was both.
    I diagree witht he "both". One thing chizdick did was tell kids not to commit unless they were 100%. He did the ground work for those guys and he had most of them committed by October. Those guys were coming here no matter what. He sold them on ISU. Guys like Klein, Money, and Reeves never waivered on their committments. They were quoted as saying they never waivered.
    BTW- Money was a chizdick commit or by your dfinition, both.


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    Re: cyclone starters on football team

    CPR actually called Money on Christmas day 2008...



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    Re: cyclone starters on football team

    I stand corrected
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCity View Post
    CPR actually called Money on Christmas day 2008...


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    Re: cyclone starters on football team

    In all fairness, Chiz's recruits that are left are obviously the upperclassmen. When he took over, the majority of starters were DMac's guys. CPR has only had 2 full classes--those guys will start to make their way into the two deeps this year.

    Just don't want to give Eugene any more credit than he's already taken for any success ISU has going forward.



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    Re: cyclone starters on football team

    Quote Originally Posted by ribsnwhiskey View Post
    In all fairness, Chiz's recruits that are left are obviously the upperclassmen. When he took over, the majority of starters were DMac's guys. CPR has only had 2 full classes--those guys will start to make their way into the two deeps this year.

    Just don't want to give Eugene any more credit than he's already taken for any success ISU has going forward.

    Yup. Chizik got some good players and they are coming of age now. So in one area, he did his job at a satisfactory level. Nothing more.



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    Re: cyclone starters on football team

    Quote Originally Posted by ribsnwhiskey View Post
    In all fairness, Chiz's recruits that are left are obviously the upperclassmen. When he took over, the majority of starters were DMac's guys. CPR has only had 2 full classes--those guys will start to make their way into the two deeps this year.

    Just don't want to give Eugene any more credit than he's already taken for any success ISU has going forward.
    I know people don't want to give chizdick any credit but guys pike Klein Reump, Johnson, Lain, Lens, Maggie, etc all made major contributions as Fresh and Soph. so they were beating out DMacs Jrs and srs.


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    Re: cyclone starters on football team

    Quote Originally Posted by tazclone View Post
    I know people don't want to give chizdick any credit but guys pike Klein Reump, Johnson, Lain, Lens, Maggie, etc all made major contributions as Fresh and Sophistication. so they were beating out DMacs Jrs and srs.
    You should try to explain a little bit more what you mean by major contributions. And maybe proofread before posting too.



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    Re: cyclone starters on football team

    Quote Originally Posted by ribsnwhiskey View Post
    You should try to explain a little bit more what you mean by major contributions. And maybe proofread before posting too.
    Damn auto correct. KO, Johnson, Benton, Klein, Reump, Lenz, Haughton, etc. All saw significant time as Fr and Soph. That is a fact. Heck they were some of our best players last year. Three are considered NFL prospects, Haughton would be one as well as possibly Klein. They played ahead of upperclassmen. They made significant contributions to the team as underclassmen.
    On top of that, we have had no one drafted in the last two years. That really underscores the lack of talent in DMac's last couple of classes. I am a big DMac fan and not necessarily a chizdick fan but of you look at it objectively, he brought in some pretty good guys. Not to mention he was in on some higher rated guys right before he left.
    Sorry for the lack of proofread...small screen


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    Re: cyclone starters on football team

    Quote Originally Posted by tazclone View Post
    Damn auto correct. KO, Johnson, Benton, Klein, Reump, Lenz, Haughton, etc. All saw significant time as Fr and Soph. That is a fact. Heck they were some of our best players last year. Three are considered NFL prospects, Haughton would be one as well as possibly Klein. They played ahead of upperclassmen. They made significant contributions to the team as underclassmen.
    On top of that, we have had no one drafted in the last two years. That really underscores the lack of talent in DMac's last couple of classes. I am a big DMac fan and not necessarily a chizdick fan but of you look at it objectively, he brought in some pretty good guys. Not to mention he was in on some higher rated guys right before he left.
    Sorry for the lack of proofread...small screen

    Don't worry about the proofread. We knew what you meant and I got a good laugh out of it.

    The Chiz brought in some good players especially when he grabbed HS players. One of his problems was that he tried to make a splash by signing a few too many JuCos that didn't do much. His transition class I think he just grabben anyone he could because he only had a short time to do so. The second year I think he wanted to win as much as possible to help his resume. Those JuCos that didn't pan out really hurt the team when they were here and also killed our depth when CPR took over which is why we have such a thin LB and DL corps.

    The Chiz had his moments in recruiting though, I will give you that.



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    Re: cyclone starters on football team

    Chizik may have recruited some of the guys that are looking like possibly draftees, but he wasn't the one who has been coaching them up over the last 2+ years.



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    Re: cyclone starters on football team

    Quote Originally Posted by cyhiphopp View Post
    Don't worry about the proofread. We knew what you meant and I got a good laugh out of it.

    The Chiz brought in some good players especially when he grabbed HS players. One of his problems was that he tried to make a splash by signing a few too many JuCos that didn't do much. His transition class I think he just grabben anyone he could because he only had a short time to do so. The second year I think he wanted to win as much as possible to help his resume. Those JuCos that didn't pan out really hurt the team when they were here and also killed our depth when CPR took over which is why we have such a thin LB and DL corps.

    The Chiz had his moments in recruiting though, I will give you that.
    Agree on the JUCOs but I am not sure that is any different than most coaches when they come in late. CPR did a similar thing with Tau'fo'ou and Lattimer but they panned out. Of course, they have had trouble with the law. One thing you saw chizdick do was sell kids on ISU. He repeatedly told kids not to commit unless they were 100% sure and he even pulled offers if kids committed and then visited somewhere else. I think that helped hold the class together along with CPR just being a hell of a guy.

    chizdick was in on Marry, Mars and Joel Kight at LB. Marry was pretty high on ISU until chizdick left then went to Ole Miss. There were a couple DL that were in the same situation. I think we were one of three visits for DE Dye. A four star that ended up at Miami. While people didn't think we had a chance, he visited and that meant a lot.

    I am not saying he would have devloped the talent but he got some good guys here. I know a lot of people don't like McFarland but if you look at the guys he brought in on the OL...wow.Burris, KO, Hicks, Haughton, Lichtenburg, Tuftee... A lot of talent on that OL Reggie Stephens also gave McFarland a lot of credit for his development.


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    Re: cyclone starters on football team

    Quote Originally Posted by CYphyllis View Post
    Chizik may have recruited some of the guys that are looking like possibly draftees, but he wasn't the one who has been coaching them up over the last 2+ years.
    Did I say he was?

    But if you want to go there...what kind of development have we seen on the offensive side of the ball? Defense...yes, a ton. Offense, eh, not so much. Of course, that could change this year.


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