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    Pac 12 TV negotiations and conference stability

    Interesting read on Larry Scott and the Pac 12's current TV rights negotiations.

    Pac-12 TV negotiations: It’s all about exposure (and a little money, too) | College Hotline

    Scott has said that his desire is to see that Pac 12 move from #5 in TV revenue among BCS schools to #1.
    Pac-10 seeks college's richest TV contract - SportsBusiness Daily | SportsBusiness Journal

    At first I thought he had no chance, but the first article I linked too seems rather optimistic with one media rights analyst thinking that they could get $220 million/yr in a new deal (I'm assuming the $25 million or so for the new title game would be dumped on top of this, making it even more). In either case, $220 million/yr would put them above the SEC and on par with the Big 10. These numbers are from 2010...


    • Big Ten: $242 million ($22 million per school)
    • SEC: $205 million ($17.08 million per school)
    • Big 12: $78 million ($6.5 million per school)
    • ACC: $67 million ($5.58 million per school)
    • Pac-10: $58 million ($5.8 million per school)
    • Big East: $13 million for football/$20 million for basketball ($2.8 million per football school)

    If you figure that the ACC just signed a $155 million/yr deal, and the Big 12 does indeed get $90 million/yr for the 2012 2nd tier rights, the new numbers would be...


    • Big Ten: $267 million (add in Big 10 title game + they'll get more with Nebraska, so at least $23 million per school...probably closer to $25 mil per school)
    • Pac 12: $220 million ($18.3 million per school if estimates hold true)
    • SEC: $205 million ($17 million per school)
    • Big 12: $150 million ($15 million per school more or less...but another big payday coming in 2016 with 1st tier rights due...plus 3rd tier rights generating other revenue like UT network additional $15mil/yr)
    • ACC: $155 million ($13 million per school)
    • Big East: $13 million for football/$20 million for basketball ($2.8 million per football school...but due for a new TV contract soon...will still be lowest BCS conference by far)

    Remember these are just TV revenues, and there are other dollars you have to factor into overall revenues, so these are definitely not the final figures on what each school actually receives.

    So does this really mean anything for Iowa State? I think most of the conference shifting is done for a while, because at the end of the day the Big boys in the Big 12 will have just about as much money as anybody else. Unless the Pac12 can somehow convince Texas to join or unless the SEC decides to go beyond 12 to up their revenue, it seems everyone is happy....

    Especially now the Pac 12 schools. Also interesting to note that the article said they're ready to do away with Thurs/Sat Men's BB scheduling with 2 home/2 away in a row. Also ready to do more Thurs/Fri Football games.



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    Re: Pac 12 TV negotiations and conference stability

    The key issues are:

    a- Are these numbers actually going to be hit?

    b- Is this including the P12 Network, if so you can tack on 2-3 million to each big 12 school for their tier 3 deal and 12 for Texas and likely 7 for OU. It would not be putting the Pac ahead much at all if that.

    For every school but TX-OU
    15 avg + 2 or 3 = 17-18 million with another boost coming in 2016

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    18.5 all in if projections are met. This would likely include title game rights and everything from what I have read.


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    Re: Pac 12 TV negotiations and conference stability

    Interesting. I'm not sure that the Pac 12 deserves more money than the SEC, but I'll probably watch their games if more are on TV. One thing that it shows me is that the $90M for 2nd tier Big 12 rights is not a fantasy number, it's going to happen. The other thing is that the gap between BCS schools and non-BCS is getting wider.



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    Re: Pac 12 TV negotiations and conference stability

    Quote Originally Posted by Frak View Post
    Interesting. I'm not sure that the Pac 12 deserves more money than the SEC, but I'll probably watch their games if more are on TV. One thing that it shows me is that the $90M for 2nd tier Big 12 rights is not a fantasy number, it's going to happen. The other thing is that the gap between BCS schools and non-BCS is getting wider.
    Fine by me. I love how the Mountain West lost all of the programs that gave it an argument for being a BCS league to BCS leagues.

    There being a select group of "power" conferences, and ISU being in one of those power conferences is a very, very good thing for the University as a whole, IMO. I don't really care if its fair to schools like Boise or not.

    What has been shown is that if a non-BCS school maintains a period of success, they will get a chance to be brought into the fold. Now that TCU and Utah are "in", and BYU will be "in" as soon as the Big 12 can bring another school into the fold (which, if we take a Big East school would create a spot for someone to move up into that league), there's not going to be much argument for ending the BCS, which IMO is good for ISU.


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    Re: Pac 12 TV negotiations and conference stability

    I think we will get some serious coin after the top tier rights are negotiated.



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    Re: Pac 12 TV negotiations and conference stability

    Ah the good ole 12-pac confernce. That names never gonna get old.



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    Re: Pac 12 TV negotiations and conference stability

    Larry Scott certainly is aggressive and thinks big and I like that in someone in charge. I don't think the Pac 10 is going to get the kind of money they're shooting for but they will get a better deal then they got now and more exposure. I would watch Pac 10 games if they were on more here at decent times.


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    Re: Pac 12 TV negotiations and conference stability

    Quote Originally Posted by cyguytillidie View Post
    Ah the good ole 12-pac confernce. That names never gonna get old.
    So in South Dakota do they call it the "Box of beer" conference?



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    Re: Pac 12 TV negotiations and conference stability

    The Big 12 isn't going to be passed by the Pac10. If we are it will be for a short time until the 1st tier rights come up for the Big 12. Keep in mind also the revenue from the Texas, Sooner and remaining school network. If the Big 12 is getting 90 mil for 2nd tier rights, I'm sure with the 1st tier rights and the new networks the Big 12 will be looking at closer to 300 mil by 2016 if not more.



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    Re: Pac 12 TV negotiations and conference stability

    Quote Originally Posted by jaretac View Post
    The Big 12 isn't going to be passed by the Pac10. If we are it will be for a short time until the 1st tier rights come up for the Big 12. Keep in mind also the revenue from the Texas, Sooner and remaining school network. If the Big 12 is getting 90 mil for 2nd tier rights, I'm sure with the 1st tier rights and the new networks the Big 12 will be looking at closer to 300 mil by 2016 if not more.
    $300 mil?!?!



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    Re: Pac 12 TV negotiations and conference stability

    Quote Originally Posted by AllIowaTeams View Post
    $300 mil?!?!






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    Re: Pac 12 TV negotiations and conference stability

    Quote Originally Posted by AllIowaTeams View Post
    $300 mil?!?!
    What and see. 5 years ago we would be saying the same thing about 240 mil. Right!?!? By the time 2016 comes around do you not think that demand will have rose that much more? The Pac 12 is looking at a 162 mil increase right now, how much more will the Big 12 see? Like it or not, the Pac12 is still second fiddle to the Big12 and that isn't going to change by adding a non BCS team and the worst school from the Big 12.



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    Re: Pac 12 TV negotiations and conference stability

    Yeah, $300 million is impossible. In 2016 it's only the 1st tier rights coming due and that won't go from $60 mil to $200 mil.

    In the end who cares as long as the Big 12 is still around and we're basically on par with the other conferences.


    The same guy that wrote that 1st article wrote and update and said that the 12-pac wants to go Global next year.

    Pac-12 TV negotiations: International plans, potential bidders, revenue matters and more | College Hotline

    Not a bad idea for them...They won't make any money off of it for probably at least 10 years, but if it builds exposure and demand for them in a new market, maybe they'll have a new cash cow on their hands 40 years from now. Little risk for them and potentially huge reward many years from now.

    If the 12-pac wants Asia, I say the Big 12 goes for Africa. We have ties there sort of. I remember while in school that Missouri had a player named something like Momadu Enjai. When I went to the games with my friends we used to call him old leather neck and I think he would do the Dikembe Mutombo finger wag.



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    Re: Pac 12 TV negotiations and conference stability

    IMO, more likely that the Big 12 goes to 16 than the Pac 16 with Texas happens.



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    Re: Pac 12 TV negotiations and conference stability

    Quote Originally Posted by cyman05 View Post
    If the 12-pac wants Asia, I say the Big 12 goes for Africa. We have ties there sort of. I remember while in school that Missouri had a player named something like Momadu Enjai. When I went to the games with my friends we used to call him old leather neck and I think he would do the Dikembe Mutombo finger wag.
    The first conference that can simulcast their games in Spanish on Telemundo or ESPN Desportes will become the most dominant conference in the country. Mark Sanchez is the first of an untapped recruiting pool that hasn't really been targeted. This should become a priority, especially for the schools in Texas.



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