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    VCU Making Case for Tournament Expansion?

    To this point, I've never been a fan of the idea of expanding the NCAA basketball tournament. The 64-team tourney was just right - 6 rounds for a total of 63 games spread over 3 1/2 weeks. A decade ago the tournament expanded to 65 teams. One extra team earned an opportunity to be slaughtered a couple days later by a number one seed. Fine.

    By taking 31 conference champions and 34 at-large teams it seemed like every team that realistically had any hope of making the final four was included, right? Now in 2011 the number of at-large bids gets expanded to 37. A couple more play-in games for a few more teams who probably don't have a chance to make it out of the second round. Most pundits panned two of the teams - VCU and UAB - that received at-large bids to the newly added play-in games as unworthy.

    Now, with 15:00 to go in their game against Kansas, VCU has a realistic shot to make the Final 4. Even if they don't win they still made the elite 8 as a team that should, by most accounts, never have been included in the tournament field.

    I still don't particularily like the idea of expanding the tournament, but it sure seems like the case for expansion will be much stronger now.



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    Re: VCU Making Case for Tournament Expansion?

    Honestly, id have no problem with even a 96 team tourney. 1-24 seeds per region, top 8 seeds get byes.



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    Re: VCU Making Case for Tournament Expansion?

    I think it needs to change from what is is. You can't have only 8 teams playing in the first round. Either go 96 and have seeds 1-8 w/ a bye, or just skip right to 128. The number of teams in college basketball is insane and the tournament needs to be adjusted for this.



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    Re: VCU Making Case for Tournament Expansion?

    I have always thought 64 teams was perfect, but VCU has made me rethink my stance.



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    Re: VCU Making Case for Tournament Expansion?

    too bad they've hit meltdown mode


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    Re: VCU Making Case for Tournament Expansion?

    Quote Originally Posted by alarson View Post
    Honestly, id have no problem with even a 96 team tourney. 1-24 seeds per region, top 8 seeds get byes.
    I agree with this. Last year I would have told you that you were a lunatic. There is just more and more parity each and every year in this tournament.


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    Re: VCU Making Case for Tournament Expansion?

    Quote Originally Posted by cycfan1 View Post
    I think it needs to change from what is is. You can't have only 8 teams playing in the first round. Either go 96 and have seeds 1-8 w/ a bye, or just skip right to 128. The number of teams in college basketball is insane and the tournament needs to be adjusted for this.
    Yeah. When there's 300-some D1 teams (and rising), youd still be bringing in less than 1/3 of all teams into a 96 team tourney. If the NIT was still around after that itd probably just push the CBI\CIT out of business.



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    Re: VCU Making Case for Tournament Expansion?

    Quote Originally Posted by yaman3 View Post
    I agree with this. Last year I would have told you that you were a lunatic. There is just more and more parity each and every year in this tournament.
    Yeah.. and no doubt there would be years still where itll be obvious 'this many teams dont deserve bids'... but with 64 you will have years that itll be obvious 'more teams deserved to be in'



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    Re: VCU Making Case for Tournament Expansion?

    I can handle a 68 team field but I think they should play all 4 games on Tuesday and send them to each region and they don't play untill Friday.



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    Re: VCU Making Case for Tournament Expansion?

    Might as well let everyone in the Tourney, then give out participation ribbons.



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    Re: VCU Making Case for Tournament Expansion?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCrazy View Post
    Might as well let everyone in the Tourney, then give out participation ribbons.
    Every team enters their conference tourney as an NCAA touney participant. As long as you don't lose you keep playing. That's kind of how I view it.



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    Re: VCU Making Case for Tournament Expansion?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCrazy View Post
    Might as well let everyone in the Tourney, then give out participation ribbons.
    I believe even with 96 teams, percentage-wise the NCAA tournament would still be one of the most exclusive postseasons due to how many teams there are.



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    Re: VCU Making Case for Tournament Expansion?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCrazy View Post
    Might as well let everyone in the Tourney, then give out participation ribbons.
    If it expands to 96 teams, I am sure there would be 96 Tourny worthy teams. With 96, teams like this years VT and CU do not get snubbed. It would prevent in large part the major snubs.



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    Re: VCU Making Case for Tournament Expansion?

    I'm still not entirely sold on the idea of 96+ expansion. A team can get very hot and make a big run in a one and done tourney.

    This is also why I'd rather see the auto bids go to the conference champion, not the conference tourney champ. The regular season champ proved themselves over the course of a season. The tourney champ may have only done so over a period of 6 days.

    Maybe a few more teams, but 96 or more may be too many. You'd have to start adding teams that were sub-.500 in their conferences, and I just don't think that's the way to go. Those teams proved over the course of the season that they can't compete with the upper-tier teams.

    Should Colorado and VT have gotten in? I believe so. Maybe Alabama. But for the big snubs, we're talking about less than 10 teams. But then we're talking about adding 28 teams.


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    Re: VCU Making Case for Tournament Expansion?

    Quote Originally Posted by alarson View Post
    Yeah.. and no doubt there would be years still where itll be obvious 'this many teams dont deserve bids'... but with 64 you will have years that itll be obvious 'more teams deserved to be in'
    I guess the argument against is that maybe you dilute the importance of the regular season.


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