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    Re: Pollard has now hired 2 National Championship caliber coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by RING4CY View Post
    What they didn't do was win national championships at Iowa State.

    So. Why. Does. Jamie. Pollard. Deserve. Credit. For. That.?
    It wasn't jamie pollards job to win wrestling championships! It was his job to hire the best coach he could... and that was Cael Sanderson!



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    Re: Pollard has now hired 2 National Championship caliber coaches

    I love Pollard, but a lot of coaches could win with the money and facilities that both of them were given.



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    Re: Pollard has now hired 2 National Championship caliber coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by capitalcityguy View Post
    The title of the thread is 100% accurate. It can't be denied.

    Now...you could argue that he should have hired coaches that were more committed to staying at ISU or that he should have somehow done more to keep them...but the fact remains, they both are of the caliber that have the ability to lead a team to a National Championship...and in fact, did.
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    Re: Pollard has now hired 2 National Championship caliber coaches

    yea cuz auburn is the only team in the country with any talent. right.



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    Re: Pollard has now hired 2 National Championship caliber coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by dualthreat View Post
    The OP makes a great point

    And if you don't agree with him, you need to take a good look in the mirror. Its us. And i think deep down you all believe it but are too proud to admit it.
    Exactly. I am probably one of the biggest "We can do it" guys out there but National Championships are hard to win when you are at a power school, let alone ISU. It's a tough gig here no matter how good you are at coaching especially given just two years.

    Quote Originally Posted by RING4CY View Post
    Yeah, I don't get that. Chizik wins a national championship elsewhere, so we should pat Pollard on the back I guess? I mean, who cares what actually happens at Iowa State. 5-19 deserves some sort of credibility apparently.
    Are you serious here? So Pollard hired two guys (one was a no brainer IMO) who won National Championships shortly into their coaching career and we can't say they were good hires by him? That's not very logical. I can understand being ****** over Mac or Mac and being ****** over Cael getting away but to say that there is nothing deserved in those two hires is wrong. Does said credit mean anything to us? No and it shouldn't but some credit is due.


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    Re: Pollard has now hired 2 National Championship caliber coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by RING4CY View Post
    What they didn't do was win national championships at Iowa State.

    So. Why. Does. Jamie. Pollard. Deserve. Credit. For. That.?
    It is called seeing the forest for the trees. Not having blinders on. (I'll try and think up a few more appropriate cliches if it will help). Besides, I already addressed this question. See sentence immediately prior to what you bolded on my last comment for legit reasons to maybe question Pollard's hire of these two.

    One last question. Do you think National Champships are won in a vacuum? You seem to.


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    Re: Pollard has now hired 2 National Championship caliber coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by dualthreat View Post
    We couldn't afford better assistants that who Chiz hired. Besides, Mahlzan wouldn't have come to IState for the money we would have paid him.

    Chiz would have hired his auburn staff here at ISU in a heartbeat if he was allowed. We can really beat a dead horse here... cause the same scenario happened to Dan Mac and will probably happen to CPR someday. Sad truth when you can foot the bill of success.
    Here I must disagree with you. The bad hires for cooridinators are on Chizek. He may have had limited resources, but he didn't have to hire his buddies.


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    Re: Pollard has now hired 2 National Championship caliber coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by SvrWxCy View Post
    A lot of crap being thrown around thus far here...

    You can't say he has done terrible, or even bad. He made two hires that did eventually become national championship caliber coaches; Chizik just needed to get his act together after 2 years of fooling around with friends as assistants, etc... Cael obviously for one reason or another wanted out of Iowa State for 'greener' pastures in his eyes. I don't think either of them were JP's fault, I doubt we could have matched the funds Auburn through at Chizik and it seems unlikely that we could have thrown more money at Cael seeing that at best we were likely breaking even with wrestling budget.

    Given the financial situation I don't think we've seen JP do anything terrible... Although the previous basketball hire was questionable, we'll see how the latest one ends up (Hoiberg looking promising)...

    We need to keep improving though, we can't be a turnstile of coaches that leave and end up with better teams. KJ needs to get the team turned around and become a top 10 team by next year in my opinion; CPR needs to have us in a bowl game; and FH needs to have the team next year in the NCAA tourney. If at least two of those things don't happen and ISU athletics is in some big trouble!
    Great post. I completely agree. I think the OP has a great point, although there are unique differences in how the two NCs were won. Obviously, both coaches are NC caliber, since they both won NCs. However, my thoughts:

    Auburn won because it's in the SEC, a traditional and current power football conference. And because of Cam Newton (and 180k). Yes Chizik coached, but it's hard to get all that talent at ISU. Probably why Chizik left, and it worked out for him.

    Penn State won because it's in the middle of a wrestling recruiting hotbed. The east coast now is to wrestling what Texas is to fooball. Yes, Sanderson coached, but it's hard to get all of that talent at ISU. Absolutely why Sanderson left, and it worked out for him.

    Rhoads and Hoiberg are homegrown Iowa guys who will probably never leave unless asked to. I doubt Jackson would leave (although that's what we all said about Sanderson). Like the poster above, I think we have great coaches, but they need to win! Then we'll have something to hang our hat on. It's an interesting situation, I could see football, basketball, and wrestling in the next several years all being good or (hopefully not) staying mediocre. Let's hope things roll our way.



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    Re: Pollard has now hired 2 National Championship caliber coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by capitalcityguy View Post
    I admited when I mistakenly attributed someone's elses commit to you. What more do you want? I'm sorry. That said, you still haven't addressed the budget realities....but you did kick the can a bit further down the street by ignoring that question, yet again.
    Are the multi-million dollar south endzone seating necessary? Or are they a luxury? Are the new soccer fields necessary? Could their have been a wrestling wing built into the new BB facility? Allocating that money is what he's paid for, and if not being able to it loses us the best coach since Nichols, someone ****ed up.

    EDIT: I wasn't talking about me, but I realized that I wasn't the only one that you did that to.


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    Re: Pollard has now hired 2 National Championship caliber coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by yaman3 View Post
    Exactly. I am probably one of the biggest "We can do it" guys out there but National Championships are hard to win when you are at a power school, let alone ISU. It's a tough gig here no matter how good you are at coaching especially given just two years.



    Are you serious here? So Pollard hired two guys (one was a no brainer IMO) who won National Championships shortly into their coaching career and we can't say they were good hires by him? That's not very logical. I can understand being ****** over Mac or Mac and being ****** over Cael getting away but to say that there is nothing deserved in those two hires is wrong. Does said credit mean anything to us? No and it shouldn't but some credit is due.
    So you're happy ISU is a training ground for new coaches, who then move on to have success at other places before having it here? That makes alot of sense...


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    Re: Pollard has now hired 2 National Championship caliber coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by ianoconnor View Post
    I love Pollard, but a lot of coaches could win with the money and facilities that both of them were given.
    OK...I'll bite. Provide the one (just one) football example equivilant to Iowa State's situation to win a National Championship in the last 25 years.


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    Re: Pollard has now hired 2 National Championship caliber coaches

    kansas state was close. but they blew it.

    Iowa state hopes to be the next kansas state football program.



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    Re: Pollard has now hired 2 National Championship caliber coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by capitalcityguy View Post
    OK...I'll bite. Provide the one (just one) football example equivilant to Iowa State's situation to win a National Championship in the last 25 years.
    Explain how an advocate of their alma mater is able to win the first championship in 60 years at a different school because of AD support at a different school, and how that doesn't reflect poorly on the first school's (ISU, in case you were confused) AD.


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    Re: Pollard has now hired 2 National Championship caliber coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by michaelrr1 View Post
    So you're happy ISU is a training ground for new coaches, who then move on to have success at other places before having it here? That makes alot of sense...
    Yes, I am extremely happy. In fact I have my Auburn pants and Penn State wrestling shirt on right now.

    That's not what I said but I can find a little comfort in the fact that the guy in charge of our athletics has hired two guys capable of winning National championships. That's it. I didn't say we should have been celebrating the ships as if they were ours. I said I think that JP deserves a little credit for hiring guys who have done a hell of a job elsewhere.


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    Re: Pollard has now hired 2 National Championship caliber coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by cloneswereall View Post
    Are the multi-million dollar south endzone seating necessary? Or are they a luxury? Are the new soccer fields necessary? Could their have been a wrestling wing built into the new BB facility? Allocating that money is what he's paid for, and if not being able to it loses us the best coach since Nichols, someone ****ed up.

    EDIT: I wasn't talking about me, but I realized that I wasn't the only one that you did that to.
    I don't know the answers to all the question, but I do know one thing. Football is the money maker followed w aaaa yyyyy behind by men's BB. Everything else is a drain so given our limited resources, it seems pretty clear that anything that can be done to enhance our money making programs should be heavily considered and at no point (or with very, very few exceptions), should we make decisions that hurt the money making program(s) in favor of the money losers.


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