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    Cyclone Alley Survey (Long)

    I figured for my first post I would write up something that I have a strong opinion about. This is what I wrote to Cyclone Alley when they sent me an email telling me to respond to how I thought Cyclone Alley did. I am a student at Iowa State and I know this is just one opinion. I would like to hear all of yours!

    I am only a freshman this year at Iowa State University, however I am certainly not a “new guy” when it comes to the Cyclones. I know you might not even take the time to read this because I could see you guys only reading survey responses that "praise" cyclone alley. But I am here to say that cyclone alley is an absolute mess right now. Were any of you ever around when Hilton rocked back in the late 90's early to mid 00's? I can’t honestly say for myself I was here for the Orr years because I was born in 1991 but I certainly started coming to all the home games in the late 90’s. I highly suggest that if you weren't at any of those games though.. try to find some game footage from the 80’s, 90’s, and early 00’s and see what Hilton was all about.

    I have heard so many adults complain about how the student section is lame and boring. And sadly, even though I am apart of it, I have to agree. I want to make a few points about cyclone alley that I disagree with.

    First, I absolutely do not agree with everyone wearing the same shirt to EVERY game. This gets very old and is unreasonable. Do you see us wearing the same shirts to football games? I know that you want to say we are "unified" by all wearing the same shirt but in reality, we shouldn't have to wear the same shirt to be “one” and be together in cheering for our Cyclones. Yeah, maybe for a couple big games, Ex: Kansas and Texas, we can wear one color and just call it a gold out. Also I would like to point out that kicking someone out of the student section for a game because they don't have the right shirt color looks horrible for your “organization”. My friend came to the game early in the year for the Baylor game but accidentally wore his gold shirt to the game. You told him “You can’t sit down in the student section because it is against cyclone alley rules, you have to have the right shirt color.” He had a grey sweatshirt and put that on over the top just so he could sit down there without you noticing that he didn’t move. He covered up his CYCLONE shirt…. To put on a grey sweatshirt that had nothing to do with ISU. That is a joke.

    The second thing I would like to talk about cheers. One of my biggest pet peeves of cyclone alley is that every single time down when we are on defense all we do is yell "Oooo." Not only do we only yell “Oooo,” but ONLY the side that is closest to the hoop we are defending yells it. The other side just stands there and watches. Can nobody up front be more creative then that? I am a freshman this year and if I try to do anything different no one listens. Because I am only a freshman… why listen to me? You guys are the leaders because cyclone alley “elected” you to be. So step up and be leaders. Quit being shy. Sometimes it makes me think all cyclone alley leaders want is for it to be on their resume that they were a “Leader” of their so called “Organization.” Back to my point about “Oooo,” It is not our trademark to yell that. We are not Duke. So lets stop trying to be. Even a "Defense clap clap Defense clap clap" would be better then that. Or maybe even just an "ISU clap ISU clap" every once in a while. Im not saying completely take away the "Oooo" but please not every single time down the court. It really is pathetic that no one will start anything but that. The only time "Oooo" gets really loud is when it is a huge spot in a huge game. Other than that, it is quiet and embarrassing.

    Next I would like to give my input on free throws. Please, please, please, please, please get rid of those signs. Not everything has to be organized. Let students do what they want and let them have some fun. Don't be control freaks. Have you seen our football student section??? Do any of you guys go to football games? We start up many cheers that are unique each and every game. To be brutally honest, it puts cyclone alley to shame. Being controlled is not what college is all about.

    Another thing that bugs me is the over use of the term "Hilton Magic" by cyclone alley members. I see this all the time in emails and at games. Like I said earlier, I don't know if any of you went to games when the Magic truly existed (not even I went to games when it TRULY existed because some say it was in the 80’s and early 90’s), but Cyclone fans can all agree we have not witnessed Hilton Magic in a very long time. So stop saying "Come witness a little Hilton Magic tomorrow at 7 p.m. when the Cyclones take on Texas Tech at home!" That is NOT Hilton Magic. I know this might sound picky, but it bothers me when the people at the top write things like that. When was the last time we beat a ranked team at home? If I’m not mistaken, it was before Mcdermott stepped in as our coach. We as a fan base need to WILL our team to victory. Not through props, not through organized signs, not through matching t-shirts, not through redundant cheers, just going absolutely nuts and putting all your heart into the Cyclones.

    I can honestly say that after being at over 90 percent of the home games since the 1998-1999 season, this is the LOWEST our student section has ever been. Total organzation..... does NOT equal fun. I want Hilton to get back to what it used to be just like we all do, but it will never be the same if cyclone alley continues down this road. It will NEVER be the same if we continue to do some of the things we are doing. I am not only speaking for myself right now, I am speaking for the majority of the Cyclone fans out there. I know, I have heard many times that winning will bring the fan base back. I’ll tell you this; it is not going to bring the student section back if we continue doing the things listed above as a student section. It's a disappointment. We need to listen to those people that were here when Hilton Coliseum was unbelievably loud, when the floor SHOOK the place got so loud, those people were here when the Magic took place. It can happen again, but it starts with us students. We have to make change. Let's get Hilton Coliseum back to what it once was. Cyclone Alley, If you did read this entire message I would like to thank you for taking the time to read it. Go Cyclones!



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    Re: Cyclone Alley Survey (Long)

    I agree with most of what you are saying about the lack of magic recently in Hilton, but everyone always wants to blame cyclone alley. Cyclone alley is not the reason Wesley Johnson, Lucca Staiger, Justin Hamilton, and many others to leave. The team has been crappy as of late and so the crowd is the same, hopefully next year with the Fab4 on the floor we can get some more wins and get the student section back to what it once was. Once we are a dangerous team again, people will stop complaining about simple things like having to wear a shirt(is it really that hard to do your laundry??)



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    Re: Cyclone Alley Survey (Long)

    I didn't know Iowa State offered a major in whining.
    Oh well, I'm sure you'll be summa cum laude.

    Seriously, complaining about things like having to wear the same color t-shirt or using the words "Hilton Magic" is about as petty as it gets.


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    Re: Cyclone Alley Survey (Long)

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclonetrent View Post
    I agree with most of what you are saying about the lack of magic recently in Hilton, but everyone always wants to blame cyclone alley. Cyclone alley is not the reason Wesley Johnson, Lucca Staiger, Justin Hamilton, and many others to leave. The team has been crappy as of late and so the crowd is the same, hopefully next year with the Fab4 on the floor we can get some more wins and get the student section back to what it once was. Once we are a dangerous team again, people will stop complaining about simple things like having to wear a shirt(is it really that hard to do your laundry??)
    Is it really that hard to let a student sit in the student section despite the color of his CYCLONE shirt?



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    Re: Cyclone Alley Survey (Long)

    Every school in the country yells O, not just us and Duke.



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    Re: Cyclone Alley Survey (Long)

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneYoda View Post
    Is it really that hard to let a student sit in the student section despite the color of his CYCLONE shirt?
    Just saying that when the student section is wearing the same shir it looks legit, especially the yellow at the Kansas game



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    Re: Cyclone Alley Survey (Long)

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclonetrent View Post
    Just saying that when the student section is wearing the same shir it looks legit, especially the yellow at the Kansas game
    Just so I understand you correctly: Shirt color contributes to legitimacy? I'm wearing a grey ISU shirt right now, but grey isn't a school color. Am I legit?



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    Re: Cyclone Alley Survey (Long)

    Seeing how the team has finished either 10th, 11th or dead last in the Big 12 the last 5 years, I am still more than happy with the number of students that showed up this season.


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    Re: Cyclone Alley Survey (Long)

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneYoda View Post
    Just so I understand you correctly: Shirt color contributes to legitimacy? I'm wearing a grey ISU shirt right now, but grey isn't a school color. Am I legit?
    now your'e putting words in my mouth, I never said that, I meant that the unity of the student section looks really cool, besides im pretty sure successful basketball schools like Pitt(the Oakland Zoo) and Michigan State (The Izzone) have required shirts, I doubt too many people there are complaining about having to wear the same shirt



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    Re: Cyclone Alley Survey (Long)

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneYoda View Post
    Just so I understand you correctly: Shirt color contributes to legitimacy? I'm wearing a grey ISU shirt right now, but grey isn't a school color. Am I legit?
    Good point, but if you think that's bad, they won't even let me in the door. They claim that I need a ticket. Does possession of some stupid piece of paper contribute to my legitimacy as a fan? I think not. I know I'm 2 legit, but they keep citing these "rules." What's up with that?


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    Re: Cyclone Alley Survey (Long)

    Lol at this guy expecting people on here to crucify him for hating Cyclone Alley..... probably the opposite.



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    Re: Cyclone Alley Survey (Long)

    Quote Originally Posted by LonoClone View Post
    Good point, but if you think that's bad, they won't even let me in the door. They claim that I need a ticket. Does possession of some stupid piece of paper contribute to my legitimacy as a fan? I think not. I know I'm 2 legit, but they keep citing these "rules." What's up with that?
    A ticket is a legitimate proof of purchase, or in some cases I guess, legitimate proof that you robbed someone in the parking lot for their ticket. Much work your attempt at being clever needs.



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    Re: Cyclone Alley Survey (Long)

    My only complaint would be the free throws. Everybody's arms are still, and at the moment the shooter releases the ball from their fingertips, everybody moves their arms one way or the other.

    I don't think that affects a shooter one bit.

    Waiting until the shooter is that far into his shot will not change anything.

    If you really want to affect a shooter with your arms moving... you have to do it while he's visually lining up his shot.

    I think everyone moving their in unison is a great idea because it can somewhat make the backboard appear to be moving while the background is still... but it has to be done while the shooter is thinking about the shot, not at the moment of release (or even the shooting motion for that matter as a shooter should not be adjusting his shot in mid-motion anyway).

    End Rant.



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    Re: Cyclone Alley Survey (Long)

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclonetrent View Post
    now your'e putting words in my mouth, I never said that, I meant that the unity of the student section looks really cool, besides im pretty sure successful basketball schools like Pitt(the Oakland Zoo) and Michigan State (The Izzone) have required shirts, I doubt too many people there are complaining about having to wear the same shirt

    Maybe should you initially clarify things like this before people "put words in your mouth".



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    Re: Cyclone Alley Survey (Long)

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclonepower1 View Post
    I figured for my first post I would write up something that I have a strong opinion about. []

    First, I absolutely do not agree with everyone wearing the same shirt to EVERY game.

    [] The second thing I would like to talk about cheers. Go Cyclones!
    Great points Cyclonepower1. I agree with you, Hilton has not been the same since the institution of Cyclone Alley. I would like to see one half of the student section subject to the shirt rule, and the other half to be free to do what they want. This would seem to be a happy medium.

    Your post leads me to believe you are a thoughtful fan (which doesn't apply to everyone around here), and hopefully someone willing to take the initiative. Thus, I urge you to become involved with SALC or Cyclone Alley and change the policy. Nothing will change unless you take action.

    Obviously, the other posters have a point too. Winning helps, and we've had a horrifically demoralizing bad spell. Still, to return to your original point, the students in CA seem exceptionally conformist and very lame. There's no banging on the backs of chairs (which I did repeatedly during my college days), and much less screaming or whistling. You're right, the "oooo" chant has taken over. Hopefully you can lead a change in your next few years at ISU. Good days are ahead.



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