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    DG from 8 PPG to 17.3...

    DG had a fab year. Huge improvement over his 8 point average his Junior year. How much of that improvement is coaching vs. not having Brackins on the team? I think 90%+ is coaching.

    If you're looking for concrete evidence Fred is going to be a great coach... I think it's DG!!



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    Re: DG from 8 PPG to 17.3...

    I'd say it's 20% coaching/confidence in the kid, and 80% strictly changing roles. His role went from 'Give it to Craig' to 'Score and create'.



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    Re: DG from 8 PPG to 17.3...

    Quote Originally Posted by CloneJob View Post
    If you're looking for concrete evidence Fred is going to be a great coach... I think it's DG!!

    There's no concrete evidence that Fred is going to be a great coach. Still just hopes and we all have them.



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    Re: DG from 8 PPG to 17.3...

    Quote Originally Posted by CloneState1028 View Post
    I'd say it's 20% coaching/confidence in the kid, and 80% strictly changing roles. His role went from 'Give it to Craig' to 'Score and create'.
    I say closer to 5% and 95%. People contiually claim DG shot better this year but his FG% doesn't reflect that. Now he shot more and was asked to do more so it is understandable that his % may drop. However, he was never asked to score last year and most of his shots were taken in a rush as the shot clock wound down so he was forcing a higher % last year.

    In the end, I have always felt DG had the game he displayed this year. He has always had the 12-15 ft jumper, has been a marginal 3pt shooter and could get to the rim. He is a good shooter when square to the basket. Not so much when he isn't. Biggest difference was Fred asked him to score and GMac told him to feed the ball to Brackins and Gilstrap


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    Re: DG from 8 PPG to 17.3...

    Quote Originally Posted by tazclone View Post
    I say closer to 5% and 95%. People contiually claim DG shot better this year but his FG% doesn't reflect that. Now he shot more and was asked to do more so it is understandable that his % may drop. However, he was never asked to score last year and most of his shots were taken in a rush as the shot clock wound down so he was forcing a higher % last year.

    In the end, I have always felt DG had the game he displayed this year. He has always had the 12-15 ft jumper, has been a marginal 3pt shooter and could get to the rim. He is a good shooter when square to the basket. Not so much when he isn't. Biggest difference was Fred asked him to score and GMac told him to feed the ball to Brackins and Gilstrap
    More shots and more possesions is the biggest reason why. We played at one of the highest tempos in the country this season which helped inflate the entire teams offensive numbers.



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    Re: DG from 8 PPG to 17.3...

    They both deserve credit for the improvement. His shot did improve, I think somewhat due to better form/balance and partially due to increased confidence. Props to both of them.



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    Re: DG from 8 PPG to 17.3...

    Quote Originally Posted by CyJack13 View Post
    More shots and more possesions is the biggest reason why. We played at one of the highest tempos in the country this season which helped inflate the entire teams offensive numbers.
    This. Not to take anything away from DG, he definately improved but to what degree is hard to tell. Who knows what kind of numbers he could have put up last year with Gilstrap and Brackins around him in this kind of a system. He was asked to be a completely different player, and quite frankly he had to be more aggressive for this team to have any kind of a shot at sucess.



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    Re: DG from 8 PPG to 17.3...

    It is coaching. You should play a style of basketball that suits your players. The fact is last years team has all the athletic tools, with Garrett, CB, Gilstrap, Dendy, and Colvin, to run and put up these numbers. The fact McD continued to roll out a giant playbook, and tell guys to stay in their 5 foot box was his decision. And the team was worse off for it.



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    Re: DG from 8 PPG to 17.3...

    DG averaged 9.2 ppg last season. His scoring production jumped 8.06 ppg from last year to this year. Good enough for the 22nd biggest spike in scoring for ISU since the 1949-50 season.




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    Re: DG from 8 PPG to 17.3...

    Quote Originally Posted by brett108 View Post
    It is coaching. You should play a style of basketball that suits your players. The fact is last years team has all the athletic tools, with Garrett, CB, Gilstrap, Dendy, and Colvin, to run and put up these numbers. The fact McD continued to roll out a giant playbook, and tell guys to stay in their 5 foot box was his decision. And the team was worse off for it.
    This right here.



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    Re: DG from 8 PPG to 17.3...

    Not so fast my friends....Which season do you think he shot a better FG & 3 Pt %?

    Oh, and he also had 24 more turnovers this season.



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    Re: DG from 8 PPG to 17.3...

    Quote Originally Posted by brett108 View Post
    It is coaching. You should play a style of basketball that suits your players. The fact is last years team has all the athletic tools, with Garrett, CB, Gilstrap, Dendy, and Colvin, to run and put up these numbers. The fact McD continued to roll out a giant playbook, and tell guys to stay in their 5 foot box was his decision. And the team was worse off for it.
    To be fair, we ran quite a bit last year until JVB got hurt, that german kid left, colvin got suspended, dendy went MIA, and Scotty got mono. Once our numbers went way down and we were limited with players, GMac slowed the pace back down.


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    Re: DG from 8 PPG to 17.3...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cloner97 View Post
    Not so fast my friends....Which season do you think he shot a better FG & 3 Pt %?

    Oh, and he also had 24 more turnovers this season.
    He had better shooting % last season which is why I chuckle when people say he is a better shooter this year.
    He scored more points/had more turnovers this year because he was the focus of the offense, he played more minutes (25%), and he had the ball in his hands more.


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    Re: DG from 8 PPG to 17.3...

    I think what you saw was someone recognizing another person's talents and letting him utilize them rather than forcing him to do it his way. I guess that's a big part of any leadership role, but especially coaching.



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    Re: DG from 8 PPG to 17.3...

    Quote Originally Posted by brett108 View Post
    It is coaching. You should play a style of basketball that suits your players. The fact is last years team has all the athletic tools, with Garrett, CB, Gilstrap, Dendy, and Colvin, to run and put up these numbers. The fact McD continued to roll out a giant playbook, and tell guys to stay in their 5 foot box was his decision. And the team was worse off for it.
    Well to be fair to McDermott trying to run with a seven man rotation didn't produce the best results this season. A 3-13 record and finishing last or second to last in every defensive catergory was also a result of Hoiberg's coaching.

    That said, I don't have a problem with his decision. He wants to get his style implemented right away even if he won't have the players for it until next year.



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