Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 21
  1. #1
    Addict
    Points: 153,948, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    6,092
    Points
    153,948
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 98
    Given: 11

    That Wacky Big East Tournament

    Instead of a mathematically simple tournament schedule, where the 16 Big East teams would be seed 1-16 accordingly, the Big East is a 15 game NYC extravaganza.


    This is a great week to be alive.



  2. #2
    All-Star
    Points: 26,855, Level: 50
    Level completed: 31%, Points required for next Level: 695
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran25000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    1,327
    Points
    26,855
    Level
    50
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 46
    Given: 103

    Re: That Wacky Big East Tournament

    Wow, I am just now looking at the bracket and didn't realize it was set up that way. I think it's a pretty cool system - it rewards finishing in the top half of the conference while also rewarding those finishing in the top four to an even greater extent.



  3. #3
    Pro
    Points: 102,850, Level: 99
    Level completed: 90%, Points required for next Level: 200
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsVeteranCreated Album pictures
    Senolcyc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    3,234
    Points
    102,850
    Level
    99
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 124
    Given: 27

    Re: That Wacky Big East Tournament

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneYoda View Post
    Instead of a mathematically simple tournament schedule, where the 16 Big East teams would be seed 1-16 accordingly, the Big East is a 15 game NYC extravaganza.

    How many games would it be if it were a mathematically simple tournament?



  4. #4
    Pro
    Points: 52,627, Level: 71
    Level completed: 6%, Points required for next Level: 1,423
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    pyrocyz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Ames
    Posts
    2,839
    Points
    52,627
    Level
    71
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 4
    Given: 1

    Re: That Wacky Big East Tournament

    Its set up so that their best teams will have a chance to win the National championship. Having their best teams play 4 games in 4 days would ruin them for the NCAA tournament.



  5. #5
    Rookie
    Points: 11,682, Level: 32
    Level completed: 62%, Points required for next Level: 268
    Overall activity: 6.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience Points
    Clones33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    WDM, IA
    Posts
    545
    Points
    11,682
    Level
    32
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2
    Given: 0

    Re: That Wacky Big East Tournament

    Quote Originally Posted by Senolcyc View Post
    How many games would it be if it were a mathematically simple tournament?
    Not sure if this is a serious question or not...but 15. Every team is required to lose once except for one. # of teams in the conference - 1 = # of tourney games.

    Of course the above formula doesn't apply in leagues that don't invite all of their teams to the conference tourney, but that's another story.



  6. #6
    Speechless
    Points: 544,326, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 63.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience PointsOverdrive
    jdoggivjc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Sterling Heights, MI
    Posts
    39,665
    Points
    544,326
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,932
    Given: 2,952

    Re: That Wacky Big East Tournament

    Quote Originally Posted by Senolcyc View Post
    How many games would it be if it were a mathematically simple tournament?
    Without getting into double-eliminations or "double-backs" or anything else crazy that adds games, a 16-team tournament will always have 15 games regardless of the setup to add byes, because there are 15 teams that need to be eliminated.


    "That's what I do. I drink, and I know things." - Tyrion Lannister

    "Success is just failure that hasn't happened yet." - life advice from Latrell Spreewell


  7. #7
    Legend
    Points: 154,060, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 21.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    cyclones500's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    13,058
    Points
    154,060
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,234
    Given: 2,432

    Re: That Wacky Big East Tournament

    Quote Originally Posted by pyrocyz View Post
    Its set up so that their best teams will have a chance to win the National championship. Having their best teams play 4 games in 4 days would ruin them for the NCAA tournament.
    Correct.

    As funny as the bracketing & seeding looks, it was a smart way to go, because it reduces the wear & tear on the best teams, rewards regular season accomplishments in a sort of "tier system," and guarantees all 16 teams can participate (without requiring multiple venues).

    (Previous setup meant teams below 12, I think, didn't even get to play).



  8. #8
    Walk On
    Points: 8,147, Level: 26
    Level completed: 99%, Points required for next Level: 3
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Cedar Falls, IA
    Posts
    130
    Points
    8,147
    Level
    26
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1
    Given: 0

    Re: That Wacky Big East Tournament

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclones500 View Post
    Correct.

    As funny as the bracketing & seeding looks, it was a smart way to go, because it reduces the wear & tear on the best teams, rewards regular season accomplishments in a sort of "tier system," and guarantees all 16 teams can participate (without requiring multiple venues).

    (Previous setup meant teams below 12, I think, didn't even get to play).
    This scheduling has not really helped the top teams win their conference tournament though. Last year West Virginia, the #3 seed was the only team to win a game at the Big East tournament, which they won and went to the Final Four. In 2009 none of the top seeds won a game. The conference looked in to changes, so the top 4 teams did not have a double bye, but decided to keep it.



  9. #9
    Pro
    Points: 109,933, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 2.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Boxerdaddy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Beaverdale, IA
    Posts
    3,264
    Points
    109,933
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 225
    Given: 719

    Re: That Wacky Big East Tournament


  10. #10
    Speechless
    Points: 544,326, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 63.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience PointsOverdrive
    jdoggivjc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Sterling Heights, MI
    Posts
    39,665
    Points
    544,326
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,932
    Given: 2,952

    Re: That Wacky Big East Tournament

    Quote Originally Posted by Boxerdaddy View Post
    What's truly sick is experts are predicting that 3 teams playing on on day 1 of this monstrosity will make the NCAA Tournament...


    "That's what I do. I drink, and I know things." - Tyrion Lannister

    "Success is just failure that hasn't happened yet." - life advice from Latrell Spreewell


  11. #11
    Rookie
    Points: 11,682, Level: 32
    Level completed: 62%, Points required for next Level: 268
    Overall activity: 6.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience Points
    Clones33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    WDM, IA
    Posts
    545
    Points
    11,682
    Level
    32
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2
    Given: 0

    Re: That Wacky Big East Tournament

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    What's truly sick is experts are predicting that 3 teams playing on on day 1 of this monstrosity will make the NCAA Tournament...
    I'm not a big fan of it either, but you'd have a hard time convincing me that there were more deserving teams than UConn, Marquette, and 'Nova (in that order) on the bubble.



  12. #12
    Speechless
    Points: 362,277, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    ISUFan22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Denver, CO
    Posts
    33,729
    Points
    362,277
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,383
    Given: 721

    Re: That Wacky Big East Tournament

    Big East tournament is one of the best conference tournaments in the country - if not the best.



  13. #13
    Pro
    Points: 102,850, Level: 99
    Level completed: 90%, Points required for next Level: 200
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsVeteranCreated Album pictures
    Senolcyc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    3,234
    Points
    102,850
    Level
    99
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 124
    Given: 27

    Re: That Wacky Big East Tournament

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones33 View Post
    Not sure if this is a serious question or not...but 15. Every team is required to lose once except for one. # of teams in the conference - 1 = # of tourney games.

    Of course the above formula doesn't apply in leagues that don't invite all of their teams to the conference tourney, but that's another story.

    It wasn't serious. The original poster seemed to think it was only a 15-game "extravaganza" because of the format. It would be 15 games no matter what.



  14. #14
    Rookie
    Points: 11,682, Level: 32
    Level completed: 62%, Points required for next Level: 268
    Overall activity: 6.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience Points
    Clones33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    WDM, IA
    Posts
    545
    Points
    11,682
    Level
    32
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2
    Given: 0

    Re: That Wacky Big East Tournament

    Quote Originally Posted by Senolcyc View Post
    It wasn't serious. The original poster seemed to think it was only a 15-game "extravaganza" because of the format. It would be 15 games no matter what.
    That was kind of my assumption.



  15. #15
    Speechless
    Points: 544,326, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 63.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience PointsOverdrive
    jdoggivjc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Sterling Heights, MI
    Posts
    39,665
    Points
    544,326
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,932
    Given: 2,952

    Re: That Wacky Big East Tournament

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones33 View Post
    I'm not a big fan of it either, but you'd have a hard time convincing me that there were more deserving teams than UConn, Marquette, and 'Nova (in that order) on the bubble.
    You don't have to convince me - 'Nova (at least up until last week) is a top 25 team, yet they're going to play as the #10 seed. That's just insane. If the Big East isn't the best basketball conference in the NCAA (the only conference that can even claim that for themselves is the ACC), they certainly are the deepest, and any team that survives that gauntlet deserves any honor they receive.


    "That's what I do. I drink, and I know things." - Tyrion Lannister

    "Success is just failure that hasn't happened yet." - life advice from Latrell Spreewell


Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
  • TV: TBA
  • Football Season Opener vs. UNI
  • September 3, 2016
  • 07:00 PM