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    How are we playing Colorado?

    I don't understand how Colorado got the 5 seed? Colorado and Missouri are both 8-8 and they both beat each other once. Missouri has a better overall record than Colorado. Missouri beat Colorado by more points than Colorado beat Missouri by. I just don't get it. Could someone please explain it to me.



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    Re: How are we playing Colorado?

    Big 12 Standings

    1. Kansas (14 - 2)
    2. Texas (13 - 3)
    3. Texas A&M (10 - 6) Defeated Kansas State based on head-to-head record.
    4. Kansas State (10 - 6) Lost to Texas A&M based on head-to-head record.
    5. Colorado (8 - 8) Defeated Missouri based on record against #2 North Division teams.
    6. Missouri (8 - 8) Lost to Colorado based on record against #2 North Division teams.
    7. Baylor (7 - 9) Defeated Nebraska based on head-to-head record.
    8. Nebraska (7 - 9) Lost to Baylor based on head-to-head record.
    9. Oklahoma State (6 - 10)
    10. Oklahoma (5 - 11) Defeated Texas Tech based on record against #3 North Division teams.
    11. Texas Tech (5 - 11) Lost to Oklahoma based on record against #3 North Division teams.
    12. Iowa State (3 - 13)

    Seeding for the Championship will be based upon regular-season competition. The winner of the postseason basketball championship shall be declared the Big 12 automatic qualifier to the NCAA Championship. A team ineligible under NCAA or Big 12 rules for postseason competition shall not compete in the championship. The four teams with the best records (based upon winning percentage) in 16 Conference games shall earn first-round byes. After the four teams have been awarded first-round byes and ranked as the No. 1 through No. 4 seeds, all remaining teams will be ranked in order No. 5 through No. 12 for seeding in the championship.
    Tiebreakers - The first criteria in the breaking of ties in the standings shall be head-to-head competition of tied teams. The following procedure will be used to establish the championship seeds if ties exist. (For tiebreaking procedures teams will be grouped in two divisions based upon established guidelines. Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Nebraska are in one division and Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech are in the other division.)
    (a) If two teams are tied and they are from different divisions, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the higher seed.
    (b) If two teams are tied and they are from the same division, the team with an advantage in head-to-head competition shall be the higher seed.
    (c) If two teams remain tied, there will be a comparison of overall record against division teams only (10 divisional games).
    (d) If two teams remain tied, there will be a comparison of record against the highest ranked team(s) (based upon Conference winning percentage) in the division and proceeding through in order of divisional record.
    (e) If two teams remain tied, there will be a *comparison of record against the highest ranked team(s) (based upon Conference winning percentage) in the opposite division and proceeding through in order of divisional record.
    (f) If two teams remain tied, the higher seed will be chosen by draw.
    (g) If three or more teams are tied, ties among divisional opponents will be broken first by using steps (b) through (f) and the head-to-head results will be used to break ties between non-divisional teams. When three or more teams from the same division are tied step (b) will consist of a mini- round robin among the tied teams. At any point during the process of breaking ties among three or more teams that the number of tied teams are reduced to two, head-to-head competition would be used as the primary tie-breaker, followed-by steps (c) through (f). Once a team is eliminated from a multi-team comparison, it is dropped from further comparisons.
    Note: When comparing against the "highest ranked team(s)" in either division, the comparison will be based upon how tied teams did against all teams in a given placement, rather than a team that wins a tiebreaker at another position. For example, if two teams are tied for fifth and two teams are tied for first, the head-to-head comparison would be how the fifth place teams did against the first place teams combined, and vice-versa.
    Draw - In the event tiebreaking procedures are unsuccessful and a draw is necessary in determining seeding, the following procedure will be used:
    (a) The drawing will be conducted in public or with media attendance
    (b) Institutions involved in the drawing have the right to have a local representative in attendance at the drawing
    (c) A single slip of paper with names representing each of the tied institutions will be placed into a container and will be drawn in order of seeding from highest (#1) to lowest (#12)


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    Re: How are we playing Colorado?

    Quote Originally Posted by nallen34 View Post
    I don't understand how Colorado got the 5 seed? Colorado and Missouri are both 8-8 and they both beat each other once. Missouri has a better overall record than Colorado. Missouri beat Colorado by more points than Colorado beat Missouri by. I just don't get it. Could someone please explain it to me.
    Because the Big 12 says we're playing Colorado....



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    Re: How are we playing Colorado?

    Better record against the north?



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    Re: How are we playing Colorado?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyberJJJ View Post
    Better record against the north?
    Correct... In a way...

    They are both 5-5 against North Division opponents, the next tie-breaker is the record against the top north division school (Kansas) in which they are both 0-2; then we go to the second place north division school (Kansas State) in which Missouri is 1-1 and Colorado is 2-0.

    Therefore, by having a better record than the second place divisional school they are seeded above Missouri...

    Good enough??


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    Re: How are we playing Colorado?

    Because we actually have a shot against them, and the B12 figures they owe us for sticking with the B12.



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    Re: How are we playing Colorado?

    Quote Originally Posted by San Francisco Cy View Post
    Big 12 Standings

    1. Kansas (14 - 2)
    2. Texas (13 - 3)
    3. Texas A&M (10 - 6) Defeated Kansas State based on head-to-head record.
    4. Kansas State (10 - 6) Lost to Texas A&M based on head-to-head record.
    5. Colorado (8 - 8) Defeated Missouri based on record against #2 North Division teams.
    6. Missouri (8 - 8) Lost to Colorado based on record against #2 North Division teams
    Well all righty then
    7. Baylor (7 - 9) Defeated Nebraska based on head-to-head record.
    8. Nebraska (7 - 9) Lost to Baylor based on head-to-head record.
    9. Oklahoma State (6 - 10)
    10. Oklahoma (5 - 11) Defeated Texas Tech based on record against #3 North Division teams.
    11. Texas Tech (5 - 11) Lost to Oklahoma based on record against #3 North Division teams.
    12. Iowa State (3 - 13)

    Seeding for the Championship will be based upon regular-season competition. The winner of the postseason basketball championship shall be declared the Big 12 automatic qualifier to the NCAA Championship. A team ineligible under NCAA or Big 12 rules for postseason competition shall not compete in the championship. The four teams with the best records (based upon winning percentage) in 16 Conference games shall earn first-round byes. After the four teams have been awarded first-round byes and ranked as the No. 1 through No. 4 seeds, all remaining teams will be ranked in order No. 5 through No. 12 for seeding in the championship.
    Tiebreakers - The first criteria in the breaking of ties in the standings shall be head-to-head competition of tied teams. The following procedure will be used to establish the championship seeds if ties exist. (For tiebreaking procedures teams will be grouped in two divisions based upon established guidelines. Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Nebraska are in one division and Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech are in the other division.)
    (a) If two teams are tied and they are from different divisions, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the higher seed.
    (b) If two teams are tied and they are from the same division, the team with an advantage in head-to-head competition shall be the higher seed.
    (c) If two teams remain tied, there will be a comparison of overall record against division teams only (10 divisional games).
    (d) If two teams remain tied, there will be a comparison of record against the highest ranked team(s) (based upon Conference winning percentage) in the division and proceeding through in order of divisional record.
    (e) If two teams remain tied, there will be a *comparison of record against the highest ranked team(s) (based upon Conference winning percentage) in the opposite division and proceeding through in order of divisional record.
    (f) If two teams remain tied, the higher seed will be chosen by draw.
    (g) If three or more teams are tied, ties among divisional opponents will be broken first by using steps (b) through (f) and the head-to-head results will be used to break ties between non-divisional teams. When three or more teams from the same division are tied step (b) will consist of a mini- round robin among the tied teams. At any point during the process of breaking ties among three or more teams that the number of tied teams are reduced to two, head-to-head competition would be used as the primary tie-breaker, followed-by steps (c) through (f). Once a team is eliminated from a multi-team comparison, it is dropped from further comparisons.
    Note: When comparing against the "highest ranked team(s)" in either division, the comparison will be based upon how tied teams did against all teams in a given placement, rather than a team that wins a tiebreaker at another position. For example, if two teams are tied for fifth and two teams are tied for first, the head-to-head comparison would be how the fifth place teams did against the first place teams combined, and vice-versa.
    Draw - In the event tiebreaking procedures are unsuccessful and a draw is necessary in determining seeding, the following procedure will be used:
    (a) The drawing will be conducted in public or with media attendance
    (b) Institutions involved in the drawing have the right to have a local representative in attendance at the drawing
    (c) A single slip of paper with names representing each of the tied institutions will be placed into a container and will be drawn in order of seeding from highest (#1) to lowest (#12)



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    Re: How are we playing Colorado?

    I believe (d) determined the final seeds...


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    Re: How are we playing Colorado?

    Quote Originally Posted by San Francisco Cy View Post
    I believe (d) determined the final seeds...
    Correct...

    I explained into detail above: http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/...ml#post2167683



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    Re: How are we playing Colorado?

    Bring em on!!


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    Re: How are we playing Colorado?

    Quote Originally Posted by nallen34 View Post
    I don't understand how Colorado got the 5 seed? Colorado and Missouri are both 8-8 and they both beat each other once. Missouri has a better overall record than Colorado. Missouri beat Colorado by more points than Colorado beat Missouri by. I just don't get it. Could someone please explain it to me.
    The tiebreakers have been explained above. Just to clarify - overall record and point differential are not part of the tiebreaker procedures.o



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