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    Big XII Tourney 5 Seed

    It's going to be Mizzou, right? By looking at the standings, I can't see anyway around it, which sucks for us.



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    Re: Big XII Tourney 5 Seed

    I think a CU win, Baylor loss, and MU loss on Saturday (basically, if all the favorites win), CU will be 5th by virtue of beating KSU twice.

    I may be reading the tiebreaker rules wrong, but with a CU win, Baylor win, and Mizzou loss, Mizzou could drop to 6th or 7th.

    Also, if ISU beats KSU and MU beats KU, I think MU gets the 4 and KSU the 5 by virtue of record vs. North.

    http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArtic...ATCLID=1520897


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    Re: Big XII Tourney 5 Seed

    I think you're right based off those rules. I was just assuming the tiebreaker after head to head was overall record.



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    Re: Big XII Tourney 5 Seed

    You may also be able to interpret that 3-way tiebreaker rule so Baylor is #5 if they end up 8-8 along with Mizzou and Colorado.

    That 3-team rule is kind of messed up. Kind of hope the conference has to take some criticism over the poor wording/clarification there.



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    Re: Big XII Tourney 5 Seed

    Here's how I understand it...

    If Kansas wins at Missouri
    Baylor, Colorado, Kansas win- Baylor is the 5 seed
    Texas, Colorado, Kansas win- Colorado is the 5 seed
    Baylor, Nebraska, Kansas win- Missouri is the 5 seed

    If Missouri wins against Kansas
    Missouri win, K-State over ISU - Missouri is the 5 seed
    Missouri win, ISU over K-State - K-State is the 5 seed

    If I was going to bet, I think I'd bet on the Colorado option as the most likely to happen, but I'd love to see the Baylor matchup


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    Re: Big XII Tourney 5 Seed

    Assuming the above is correct (and adding the scenario "Texas, Nebraska, Kansas win - Missouri is 5 seed") --- Using KenPom percentages:

    - 56.1% chance of Mizzou getting 5-seed. (28.6% chance of the Nebraska/Kansas win combo + 27.5% chance of MU and KSU combo)
    - 8.7% chance of Baylor getting 5-seed.
    - 30.8% chance of Colorado getting 5-seed.
    - 4.5% chance of K-State getting 5-seed.


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    Re: Big XII Tourney 5 Seed

    Hopefully it's anyone but Missouri - they are a tough match-up for our team.



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    Re: Big XII Tourney 5 Seed

    If you want to know all of the scenario's, use the bracket predictor:

    mred's Big 12 Tournament Bracket Generator


    We can play:

    K-State if we beat them and Mizzou wins
    Colorado if they win & Mizzou loses
    Mizzou in all other scenarios


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    Re: Big XII Tourney 5 Seed

    So basically based off the tourney generator it looks like if all the favorites win their games we will be playing Colorado in the first round but with how the Big12 has been this year I doubt we can count on all the favorites winning...

    I'm just hoping for either a Baylor or Colorado first round match-up



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    Re: Big XII Tourney 5 Seed

    Quote Originally Posted by justgetcy View Post
    I'm just hoping for either a Baylor or Colorado first round match-up

    I don't believe there is anyway we can play Baylor, as Mizzou holds the tie-breaker with them...



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    Re: Big XII Tourney 5 Seed

    Quote Originally Posted by SvrWxCy View Post
    I don't believe there is anyway we can play Baylor, as Mizzou holds the tie-breaker with them...
    If there is a 3 way tie between teams from different divisions, then the tie between in division teams is broken first, then head to head for the two remaining. So if Mizzou loses, Baylor wins, and Colorado wins Colorado takes out Mizzou based on them beating K-State twice and Mizzou splitting. Then Baylor beat Colorado head to head so Baylor 5th, Colorado 6th, and Mizzou 7th.



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    Re: Big XII Tourney 5 Seed

    Quote Originally Posted by kucyclone View Post
    Assuming the above is correct (and adding the scenario "Texas, Nebraska, Kansas win - Missouri is 5 seed") --- Using KenPom percentages:

    - 56.1% chance of Mizzou getting 5-seed. (28.6% chance of the Nebraska/Kansas win combo + 27.5% chance of MU and KSU combo)
    - 8.7% chance of Baylor getting 5-seed.
    - 30.8% chance of Colorado getting 5-seed.
    - 4.5% chance of K-State getting 5-seed.
    Wow- those computer numbers must be giving Missouri a good chance at winning at home against Kansas...That makes sense though since they're undefeated at home. But still, I think Kansas is probable to win that game.



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    Re: Big XII Tourney 5 Seed

    Quote Originally Posted by SvrWxCy View Post
    If you want to know all of the scenario's, use the bracket predictor:

    mred's Big 12 Tournament Bracket Generator


    We can play:

    K-State if we beat them and Mizzou wins
    Colorado if they win & Mizzou loses
    Mizzou in all other scenarios
    KU @ Mizzou is a tough one to call, but I'd bet on KU. CU should be ****** after losing our game, and have Nebby at home so that's good game for them. Getting CU bumped up to a 5 seed would be a hell of a gift.


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    Re: Big XII Tourney 5 Seed

    Regardless, I just don't want to play Missouri in the first round. ANYBODY but Missouri....we just do not match up well with those guys.

    I would love to play CU or Baylor again....then get K-State in the Second round.... this 12 seed might just pay off for a little run in the tourney.



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    Re: Big XII Tourney 5 Seed

    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingCY View Post
    Regardless, I just don't want to play Missouri in the first round. ANYBODY but Missouri....we just do not match up well with those guys.

    I would love to play CU or Baylor again....then get K-State in the Second round.... this 12 seed might just pay off for a little run in the tourney.
    Dare to dream, but with our thin line-up there is no way we do any better than a 1st round upset.



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