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    big 12-2 football recruiting

    number of signees per school (taken from rivals-what is very surprising is at the bottom of the table)


    school no of recruits signed for 2012

    iowa state 0
    kansas state 0
    kansas 0
    mizzou 1
    okie state 3
    oklahoma 2
    baylor 2
    texas tech 0
    texas shorthorns 13
    texas a and m 15

    it shocks me that sherman and the aggies are kicking texas' butt and are getting players that mack brown wants in the texas camp. is texas a and m's new defensive cordinator phil bennett helping the aggies with their recuiting scoop of mack brown???


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    Re: big 12-2 football recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by woodie View Post
    number of signees per school (taken from rivals-what is very surprising is at the bottom of the table)


    school no of recruits signed for 2012

    iowa state 0
    kansas state 0
    kansas 0
    mizzou 1
    okie state 3
    oklahoma 2
    baylor 2
    texas tech 0
    texas shorthorns 13
    texas a and m 15

    it shocks me that sherman and the aggies are kicking texas' butt and are getting players that mack brown wants in the texas camp. is texas a and m's new defensive cordinator phil bennett helping the aggies with their recuiting scoop of mack brown???
    I wouldn't say A&M is kicking anyone's butt, so much as Texas is trying to pull back on accepting early commits. In Mack Brown's year-end analysis of what went wrong with Texas football this past season, one of the things he mentioned was filling up on scholarships early in the process without ever having seen senior film. I imagine if he saw that as a problem, he would try to curtail that practice a bit. Frankly, I'm surprised they've accepted as many as they have.



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    Re: big 12-2 football recruiting

    You're on fire for thread-making today woodie.

    Texas Shorthorns? Really?



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    Re: big 12-2 football recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by AlleyAddict View Post
    You're on fire for thread-making today woodie.

    Texas Shorthorns? Really?
    alley addict-lots of those longhorns have been dehorned-so now they r shorthorns!!!!!


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    Re: big 12-2 football recruiting

    These recruits are far from signed. They are only committed.


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    Re: big 12-2 football recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by CloneFan4 View Post
    These recruits are far from signed. They are only committed.
    if it says committed to aTm or tu, might as well be the same thing



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    Re: big 12-2 football recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by woodie View Post
    number of signees per school (taken from rivals-what is very surprising is at the bottom of the table)


    school no of recruits signed for 2012

    iowa state 0
    kansas state 0
    kansas 0
    mizzou 1
    okie state 3
    oklahoma 2
    baylor 2
    texas tech 0
    texas shorthorns 13
    texas a and m 15

    it shocks me that sherman and the aggies are kicking texas' butt and are getting players that mack brown wants in the texas camp. is texas a and m's new defensive cordinator phil bennett helping the aggies with their recuiting scoop of mack brown???
    Art Briles is gonna be ****** if Bennett is recruiting for A&M.



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    Re: big 12-2 football recruiting

    Probably a lot of reason for concern for UT and A&M fans, because I'd bet none of those guys have any other BCS offers.

    Probably some shoddy looking classes so far.


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    Re: big 12-2 football recruiting

    The problem with A&M is that they have15 guys signed and most are the caliber of what they signed last year. Instead of trying to lock up elite guys early they are getting the mid tier guys that they could get latter in the year...

    I wonder how much of this is a by product of Baylor and UH doing better in the mid level recruiting and A&M making sure they get who they want off the middle teir now instead of losing a few later. If A&M didn't have the Brehnam pipeline going, this class would be very mediocre.

    As far as Texas recruiting, it seems like their needs and the state of Texas HS class really don't match up. There is one dynamic elite DT and DE in Texas this year. The DE's father is a FSU alum and the DT lives close to A&M. The best OL prospect in the state is a pure OG and the best CB prospect only wants to play WR. With a team that needs OT, DE, DT and CB prospects, the lack of elite guys in state hurts UT. They offered 3 OL from out of state, something that almost never happens.



    And on a DMac/UNT note, UNT had already offered one of the guys UT signed. That doesn't sound like a big deal, but that is a huge change from the past. UNT had 200+ kids and their parents in a few Saturdays ago for a walk through JR day that mainly focused on academics, the new stadium and an explanation of the ins and outs of eligibility from a parents perspective... That is a big deal for UNT considering most years ant JR day camp was 10-20 kids...

    DMac might not have excelled at the Big 12 level, but he is head and shoulders above the Sun Belt. His staff has more BCS conference experience than 1/2 the conference combined.



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    Re: big 12-2 football recruiting

    TCU is also another big recruiter now that they are on the national stage. It is getting tougher to find those under the radar players in texas. Just follow the offers and hope you land someone. Maybe are dancemate chances are better in Florida.


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    Re: big 12-2 football recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by laxtonto View Post
    The problem with A&M is that they have15 guys signed and most are the caliber of what they signed last year. Instead of trying to lock up elite guys early they are getting the mid tier guys that they could get latter in the year...

    I wonder how much of this is a by product of Baylor and UH doing better in the mid level recruiting and A&M making sure they get who they want off the middle teir now instead of losing a few later. If A&M didn't have the Brehnam pipeline going, this class would be very mediocre.

    As far as Texas recruiting, it seems like their needs and the state of Texas HS class really don't match up. There is one dynamic elite DT and DE in Texas this year. The DE's father is a FSU alum and the DT lives close to A&M. The best OL prospect in the state is a pure OG and the best CB prospect only wants to play WR. With a team that needs OT, DE, DT and CB prospects, the lack of elite guys in state hurts UT. They offered 3 OL from out of state, something that almost never happens.



    And on a DMac/UNT note, UNT had already offered one of the guys UT signed. That doesn't sound like a big deal, but that is a huge change from the past. UNT had 200+ kids and their parents in a few Saturdays ago for a walk through JR day that mainly focused on academics, the new stadium and an explanation of the ins and outs of eligibility from a parents perspective... That is a big deal for UNT considering most years ant JR day camp was 10-20 kids...

    DMac might not have excelled at the Big 12 level, but he is head and shoulders above the Sun Belt. His staff has more BCS conference experience than 1/2 the conference combined.
    Dmac did pretty well in the Big 12. He was a FG from winning the North 2 years in a row. We still love him here, and hope he does great things at UNT.

    It would be awesome if you could give us some input on some of the Texas commits we get this year.



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    Re: big 12-2 football recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    TCU is also another big recruiter now that they are on the national stage. IUt is getting tougher to find those under the radar players in texas. Just follow the offers and hope you land someone. Maybe are dancemate chances are better in Florida.
    Yeah, South Florida is probably easier to recruit against now than TCU. Then you add the fact that Texans love their state more than Floridians do.



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    Re: big 12-2 football recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    TCU is also another big recruiter now that they are on the national stage. IUt is getting tougher to find those under the radar players in texas. Just follow the offers and hope you land someone. Maybe are dancemate chances are better in Florida.

    You would be surprised. TCU is not even in the top 5 as far as college merchandising in DFW and is looked down upon for their academics by most of the state. TCU is not really a "top" destiantion for most premier kids in Texas, even with the move to the BE. When they where a non-AQ they had the hook of being a BCS buster and poor TV and bad travel. Now they lost the image of fighting the man so to speak and gained a better TV deal.

    TCU really didn't solve any of their problems by going to the BE. They still don't have any regional rivals and that still limits the ability of parents to go watch their sons play. It is nice to play higher profile teams, but with that comes with the much getter chance of having a 2 loss conference record. TCU isn't a guaranteed BCS contender year in and year now. They have th stability of winning the conference and going to a BCS bowl, but they also have a much smaller chance of winning the BE than they did going undefeated in the MWC and being in the BCS talk.

    Don't get me wrong, they are getting a better quality of recruit than they where 10+ years ago, but that is more due to the AD budget and coach, not the BE. TCU will never be able to fight the big boys in the state as far as recruiting go, but they are now at least on par with Baylor, UH, OSU and maybe even A&M. TCU continually gets 2 or 3 4* and the rest 3 and 2 *s. That is a nice haul, but really not a major threat.

    Until you see TCU getting 6-8 4*s they will not really be a force in Texas in regards to Texas and OU. The 2 -4* should be expected being in, one of if not, the best recruiting grounds in the nation. They might be an annoyance, but TCU can't draw a Top 100 national recruit that isn't from the DFW area yet. That is what is the real difference right now.

    I like to see TCU doing well, but in the long run I would not be surprised to see them regress severely the next few season. Playing a full slate of BE games will be a rude awakening vs. the MWC competition in the past. The whole discussion about depth and player attrition will provide a nice case study for what happens when a non-BCS powerhouse is forced to play a BCS (even if it is the weakest of the BCS conference) slate. If TCU is not winning, they have no real appeal in DFW when the top kids could just as easily go to Tex or OU.


    As far as the Texas ISU recruits... I will try to keep you guys informed as much as possible. DFW is going to have a TON of mid tier guys this year so it will be interesting to see the top risers this year.


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    Re: big 12-2 football recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by laxtonto View Post
    You would be surprised. TCU is not even in the top 5 as far as college merchandising in DFW and is looked down upon for their academics by most of the state. TCU is not really a "top" destiantion for most premier kids in Texas, even with the move to the BE. When they where a non-AQ they had the hook of being a BCS buster and poor TV and bad travel. Now they lost the image of fighting the man so to speak and gained a better TV deal.

    TCU really didn't solve any of their problems by going to the BE. They still don't have any regional rivals and that still limits the ability of parents to go watch their sons play. It is nice to play higher profile teams, but with that comes with the much getter chance of having a 2 loss conference record. TCU isn't a guaranteed BCS contender year in and year now. They have th stability of winning the conference and going to a BCS bowl, but they also have a much smaller chance of winning the BE than they did going undefeated in the MWC and being in the BCS talk.

    Don't get me wrong, they are getting a better quality of recruit than they where 10+ years ago, but that is more due to the AD budget and coach, not the BE. TCU will never be able to fight the big boys in the state as far as recruiting go, but they are now at least on par with Baylor, UH, OSU and maybe even A&M. TCU continually gets 2 or 3 4* and the rest 3 and 2 *s. That is a nice haul, but really not a major threat.

    Until you see TCU getting 6-8 4*s they will not really be a force in Texas in regards to Texas and OU. The 2 -4* should be expected being in, one of if not, the best recruiting grounds in the nation. They might be an annoyance, but TCU can't draw a Top 100 national recruit that isn't from the DFW area yet. That is what is the real difference right now.

    I like to see TCU doing well, but in the long run I would not be surprised to see them regress severely the next few season. Playing a full slate of BE games will be a rude awakening vs. the MWC competition in the past. The whole discussion about depth and player attrition will provide a nice case study for what happens when a non-BCS powerhouse is forced to play a BCS (even if it is the weakest of the BCS conference) slate. If TCU is not winning, they have no real appeal in DFW when the top kids could just as easily go to Tex or OU.


    As far as the Texas ISU recruits... I will try to keep you guys informed as much as possible. DFW is going to have a TON of mid tier guys this year so it will be interesting to see the top risers this year.
    You are way off base concerning the Texas perception of TCU`s academics. They are very well thought of in North Texas. You are also off base concerning TCU`s growing reputation in recruiting circles in Texas. You better pick a different scholl to belittle, because you will lose all credibility trying to tackle TCU.


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    Re: big 12-2 football recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by clonestar12 View Post
    You are way off base concerning the Texas perception of TCU`s academics. They are very well thought of in North Texas.

    I live 30 minutes from TCU, both of my parents grew up 10 minutes from TCU off of Berry. My wife teaches at a 5A HS in DFW and I am related to several other longterm teachers throughout major DFW schools districts. Lets just say that I am very well versed in both the college and HS student perception of TCU. TCU is just not a top destination. Nice campus (probably one of my favorite ones to walk in Texas in the Spring) but their reputation is not for academic excellence.

    They have made strides but they have never had a strong academic reputation to begin with. They are still regarded as a "I couldn't get into UT or SMU and I have the money to send my child elsewhere" school than an academic powerhouse. That perception probaly will not change for many more years, just the same way as the perception of UNT academics will not.

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