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    Fizer, Mateen Cleaves and Alford make top 10

    Not sure I agree with this list but certainly Fizer didn't pan out...

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    Re: Fizer, Mateen Cleaves and Alford make top 10

    Why wasn't Fizer successful in the NBA? Was it size, lack of shooting range, or what? I didn't follow him much after he left so I kind of lost track of him.



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    Re: Fizer, Mateen Cleaves and Alford make top 10

    Did he have leg issues?

    His shots were blocked a few times around the bucket because he was not quite tall enough.

    He may have been a tweener.


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    Re: Fizer, Mateen Cleaves and Alford make top 10

    A knee injury and he struggled defensively.


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    Re: Fizer, Mateen Cleaves and Alford make top 10

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Did he have leg issues?

    His shots were blocked a few times around the bucket because he was not quite tall enough.

    He may have been a tweener.
    That's kind of what I thought too. He could have benefited from an extra couple of inches around the hoop. He didn't have a strong perimeter game and at 6'8" he wasn't as effective down low either. Sometimes what works very well against college players, doesn't correlate when everyone you're playing against is 2-3 inches taller and much quicker than they were in college.



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    Re: Fizer, Mateen Cleaves and Alford make top 10

    He might have been better suited for today's NBA where guys in his height range like Dejuan Blair are playing well.



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    Re: Fizer, Mateen Cleaves and Alford make top 10

    The size argument with him I don't think is totally valid, Barkley was shorter than him and played when there were a lot more quality big men in the league.



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    Re: Fizer, Mateen Cleaves and Alford make top 10

    I think 6'8 was even a stretch. From people that have stood next to him, he's more around 6'6ish, or so I've heard.

    That will work when you are a man among boys at the college level, but not quite in the NBA. Man was he fun to watch though.



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    Re: Fizer, Mateen Cleaves and Alford make top 10

    He was to short to play the 4. Barkley was a freek of nature. That is like saying Mugsy Bogues and Spud Webb made it so any 5'3-5'6 inch guy could make it. Those two were crazy talented. Michael Jordan said one time if Mugsy was a foot taller he might be the greatest player in NBA history.


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    Re: Fizer, Mateen Cleaves and Alford make top 10

    Quote Originally Posted by zarnold56 View Post
    The size argument with him I don't think is totally valid, Barkley was shorter than him and played when there were a lot more quality big men in the league.
    So because one undersized PF was successful every under sized PF should be successful? Fizer was slightly undersized to be an NBA four, especially since he wasn't a real explosive leaper, his biggest advantage in college was his strength and that was somewhat negated in the NBA. But injuries are mainly what did in his career, he averaged like 12 and 6 in both his second and third years, I don't think he ever would have been a star but if he had stayed healthy he would easily be a solid rotation guy.

    I also don't get how Mateen Cleaves is on that list. I don't think many people expect him to be even a starter in the NBA. He was a great leader, but he wasn't even the third most talented guy on his Michigan State team as a senior.



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    Re: Fizer, Mateen Cleaves and Alford make top 10

    What is Fizer up to these days?



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    Re: Fizer, Mateen Cleaves and Alford make top 10

    Mateen Cleaves always kinda bugged me - and not because his team beat us; I just didn't like his on-court trash talk; good to know he couldn't back it up in the NBA.

    Feel bad for Fizer and sincerely hope he's doing well today. I do think I read on this board a year, or so ago, that he may be going through some financial issues, or burned most of his guaranteed contract money - hope that's not the case. At the time wasn't he guaranteed $11 MM over three years?


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    Re: Fizer, Mateen Cleaves and Alford make top 10

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Did he have leg issues?

    His shots were blocked a few times around the bucket because he was not quite tall enough.

    He may have been a tweener.
    I agree with the tweener assessment. I think he wasn't quite big enough to play the 4 int he NBA and not quick enough to play the 3.



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    Re: Fizer, Mateen Cleaves and Alford make top 10

    Quote Originally Posted by Knownothing View Post
    He was to short to play the 4. Barkley was a freek of nature. That is like saying Mugsy Bogues and Spud Webb made it so any 5'3-5'6 inch guy could make it. Those two were crazy talented. Michael Jordan said one time if Mugsy was a foot taller he might be the greatest player in NBA history.
    Exactly, comparing him to a hall of famer and most physically dominating players of his time is apples to oranges.



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    Re: Fizer, Mateen Cleaves and Alford make top 10

    He was a tweener.

    Another problem was that he was drafted by the Bulls who already had Elton Brand. Elton had a nearly identical game to Fizer's only he was bigger and better at it. By the time Fizer got a chance to shine, injuries and off-court issues were slowing him down.



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