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    Life without Pujols?!?!

    Being a diehard cards fan I just want others' scenarios of what happens IF we are unable to retain El Hombre!

    I hope they throw a blank check at him, even if it means no playoffs for 5 years....yes I think highly of him!

    (please no crap responses, keep some substance to this thread)



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    Re: Life without Pujols?!?!

    Sounds like they aren't even close to a contract. I wouldn't go 10 years with him either. If I were the Cards, I'd offer him 8/225. That would probaly be the absolute highest I'd go.



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    Re: Life without Pujols?!?!

    I think he's worth A-rod money but not for 10 years



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    Re: Life without Pujols?!?!

    I'm on the fence. I would be quite upset if Pujols left STL, but I would also be angry that the Cards didn't pony up the cash. Can the Cards even pay him $250 million? They already locked up Holliday in a longterm, expensive contract. I didn't think Pujols would put himself before winning. If they do sign him, they won't be able to put anyone around him.



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    Re: Life without Pujols?!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by waynemorgan View Post
    Being a diehard cards fan I just want others' scenarios of what happens IF we are unable to retain El Hombre!

    I hope they throw a blank check at him, even if it means no playoffs for 5 years....yes I think highly of him!

    (please no crap responses, keep some substance to this thread)
    Don't worry, you'll still get to see him 19 times a year when the Cubs play the Cardinals.



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    Re: Life without Pujols?!?!

    Maybe it's time for Holliday and Pujols to get together and discuss their salaries. That's the only way to get to keep Pujols most likely and still be able to field a team.



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    Re: Life without Pujols?!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by waynemorgan View Post
    Being a diehard cards fan I just want others' scenarios of what happens IF we are unable to retain El Hombre!

    I hope they throw a blank check at him, even if it means no playoffs for 5 years....yes I think highly of him!

    (please no crap responses, keep some substance to this thread)
    "They are close to a deal --- he'll sign." (I know nothing but I keep saying this to myself over and over again).



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    Re: Life without Pujols?!?!

    He would look good in a Red Sox uni. Just saying...



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    Re: Life without Pujols?!?!

    I think any team in the league would be nuts to give him 10 years right now. He's already 31 so can you really justify paying someone in his 40's $30 mil a year? I think maybe a 7 or 8 year deal with some incentive levels he has to reach or team options for anything past that is reasonable. I do think if the Cards botch this up he's not going to resign with them. I can easily see teams like the Cubs and Yankees lining up to pay him top dollar.


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    Re: Life without Pujols?!?!

    He's better than A-Rod and better than Sabathia. He deserves and IMO will get a deal bigger than both. But I wouldn't go 10 years either. Give him more $$$ per year for 7-8 years. I think he is worth $30 million per, but can anyone pay him that much.

    If I were a GM, I would do anything necessay and offer him 8 years, $240 million.



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    Re: Life without Pujols?!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by CYdTracked View Post
    I think any team in the league would be nuts to give him 10 years right now. He's already 31 so can you really justify paying someone in his 40's $30 mil a year? I think maybe a 7 or 8 year deal with some incentive levels he has to reach or team options for anything past that is reasonable. I do think if the Cards botch this up he's not going to resign with them. I can easily see teams like the Cubs and Yankees lining up to pay him top dollar.
    Got Tex and ARod at the corners there, unless you want to move him to LF with Granderson and Swisher out there too.



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    Re: Life without Pujols?!?!

    I definitely do not see the Cubs pony up for this one. I really would hate to see Pujols go anywhere else...even as a cubs fan.


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    Re: Life without Pujols?!?!

    If he doesn't sign, it will be a long season in St. Louis. As a cards fan, if he can't settle for $225MM to stay a cardinal, then he should leave now. He will make more money in one month than most of the fans in St. Louis will make in a life time.

    AP and other athletes need to put some things in perspective.



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    Re: Life without Pujols?!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by guitarchitect7 View Post
    I definitely do not see the Cubs pony up for this one. I really would hate to see Pujols go anywhere else...even as a cubs fan.
    Wouldnt be so sure about that. If Pujols goes to free agency, it would make all the sense in the world for the cubs. You have A-Ram's 14.5 mil off the books, Pena's 10 mil, Fukudome's 13.5 mil... thats 38 mil right there thats opened up. So the money is there, there will be a gaping whole again at 1st base, and why wouldnt you want to steal the best player in baseball and the face of your arch rival franchise. Makes all the sense in the world, and from the sounds of it, Albert is out lookin for the highest bidder, regardless of who it is.


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    Re: Life without Pujols?!?!

    Yeah, I'm really thinking 7 or 8 years is the max. Give him 30/year but NO WAY 10 years. I think his bat will be pretty elite for another 5 years and serviceable for several more. I think his prowess on the basepaths will be OK for another year or two and then tail off. He should be good defensively for another 5 years+ at 1B.

    I don't think the Cards will get anything done before spring training. They do have an exclusive negotiation window from the end of their season till 5 days after the end of the World Series in which to negotiate with Pujols. So there is that time.

    I think the Cards have to pony up the money for him since he will veto any trade. They are not getting players back for him. He signed a very favorable contract the last time that really allowed the Cards to spend on pitching. Now it's time to return the favor to Pujols. He loves it in STL and it's time for the organization to show their appreciation for all he has done in his career (both on the field and off) for them and the city.

    The Holliday signing was a bit much - agreed, but the Lohse signing is what really killed me. He is worth NO WHERE near $10M a year. The other reality is that Carpenter is gone after this year. They won't pick up his option if they hope to sign Pujols. They may even look to move him at the deadline to a team looking to cut salary.

    The reality is that their farm system is depleted and SLOWLY recovering. To use the farm system to acquire Holliday as another weapon alongside Pujols... then let Pujols walk for 2 draft picks is a stupid stupid move. I believe the long term has to be sign Pujols for 8. Then trade Carp at the deadline for some young guys. Don't trade away the farm system anymore for a while so it can build up again and be a true resource.

    The cardinals offense is pretty decent if they can keep everyone healthy. The pitching is decent too where they should contend in the central and perhaps in the playoffs. The Giants showed that a paper juggernaut (PHI) is beatable in a series if you have equally effective pitching. I'm not saying the Cards will make the NLCS, talking generally that it's not a lost cause to try and win even if PHI has the best rotation ever.



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