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    Why do we continue to hire Hartzell?

    Just sayin'...


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    Re: Why do we continue to hire Hartzell?

    Quote Originally Posted by agcy68 View Post
    Just sayin'...
    The school has no say in who works the games. The league assigns officials.



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    Re: Why do we continue to hire Hartzell?

    Does it matter? Refs were fine.



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    Re: Why do we continue to hire Hartzell?

    Quote Originally Posted by agcy68 View Post
    Just sayin'...
    If it worked this way I would be more than willing to have Iowa State hire me as a referee. I'd work for cheap, but our record would improve.



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    Re: Why do we continue to hire Hartzell?

    At one point Fouls ISU 1 KSU 7. Im down with crew like that.

    I dont recall the refs giving up 14 made threes.



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    Re: Why do we continue to hire Hartzell?

    I think at one point from my officiating seat, i would count ISU 2 KSU 15!



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    Re: Why do we continue to hire Hartzell?

    The only non-call I had a legitimate problem with was the lanky guy rolling over Bubu for the dunk... he damn near literally stepped on Bubu to make it happen.



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    Re: Why do we continue to hire Hartzell?

    They were terribly inconsistent, but not unusually inconsistent, which actually kind of bothers me more.

    But they didn't lose us the game. One play short.


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    Re: Why do we continue to hire Hartzell?

    I was ok with Hartzell, it was the thinner reddish haired guy that called several blocks instead of charges that killed us. He also called the doubt t that involved Railey and all he did was stand there with his chest puffed out while the K-State guy mouthed off at him. But I'm real proud of our kids, they played hard and were in a position to win if it hadn't been for that completely lucky bounce to Pullen after DG had stripped the ball. JVB really stepped up with some big points down the stretch.



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    Re: Why do we continue to hire Hartzell?

    Refs were fine this game.


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    Re: Why do we continue to hire Hartzell?

    Rick is terrible. I don't know why he hates ISU.



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    Re: Why do we continue to hire Hartzell?

    Man some of you guys must have been watching a different game than I was. While I refuse to blame a loss on the officials this crew was ******* terrible...in some cases on both ends. KSU plays a very aggressive style in which they try to make officials make calls, and in a lot of cases the game gets very physical because they aren't going to call something every time down the floor. The two moving screens on JVB where he was just rolling off the screens, the multiple moving screens on KSU that were the same play but not called, the over and back that wasn't, constant hand checking on Pullen, the stepping out of bounds that was missed, 2 (at least) blatantly obvious charges that were called blocks...that is just to name a few. We didn't make the plays necessary to win and gave up way to many open 3's again but this officiating crew was atrocious IMHO.

    A lot of Hilton agreed...that is the loudest I have heard that place get on officials in quite some time. CFH was more animated at the officials tonight than I have ever seen him be as well. I guess everyone see things differently.


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    Re: Why do we continue to hire Hartzell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Covenant Clone View Post
    Man some of you guys must have been watching a different game than I was. While I refuse to blame a loss on the officials this crew was ******* terrible...in some cases on both ends. KSU plays a very aggressive style in which they try to make officials make calls, and in a lot of cases the game gets very physical because they aren't going to call something every time down the floor. The two moving screens on JVB where he was just rolling off the screens, the multiple moving screens on KSU that were the same play but not called, the over and back that wasn't, constant hand checking on Pullen, the stepping out of bounds that was missed, 2 (at least) blatantly obvious charges that were called blocks...that is just to name a few. We didn't make the plays necessary to win and gave up way to many open 3's again but this officiating crew was atrocious IMHO.

    A lot of Hilton agreed...that is the loudest I have heard that place get on officials in quite some time. CFH was more animated at the officials tonight than I have ever seen him be as well. I guess everyone see things differently.
    We also got away with a ton too. Oh well.



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    Re: Why do we continue to hire Hartzell?

    Refs had zero to do with us losing today BUT they were not fine. The foul on Railey to have him foul out was awful.



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    Re: Why do we continue to hire Hartzell?

    Quote Originally Posted by ajk4st8 View Post
    We also got away with a ton too. Oh well.
    Oh I agree...they would let tons of stuff go and then call some little touch foul. I couldn't believe they didn't blow the whistle on a lot of stuff we did too. It just seemed like every time they missed a call against KSU they would come down and hit a 3. Again that boils down to our defense but it was just a tendency I noticed.



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