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    A Look at the DL in 2011

    After all of the DL recruitment bickering, I thought it would be refreshing to step back and discuss what we already have for 2011. At first glance it looks like the depth appears a bit thin, but I'm optimistic about the talent returning and the experience this group has had over the past two years. I've put together a list to show what we have to line the trenches in 2011 with the most important DL stats imo.

    From the 2010 depth chart w/ stats:

    Pos. Tot.tack/Sacks/QB hurries.

    LE:
    Lattimer SR 39/4/5
    Neal SR 29/1/2
    Scott SO 2/0/0

    DT:
    Laing JR 15/0/2
    Black SR

    NG:
    Ruemp SR 33/2.5/0
    McDonough JR 17/1/3

    RE:
    Maggitt JR 30/0/1
    Moore SO

    Add in:

    Nelson at DE
    Kron at DE(?)
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    Woods DL
    Jensen DL

    Thoughts-

    The experience at DE is solid but the production needs to improve. This is the first time I can remember that there will be a solid 5man+ rotation at the ends. I think this group will really surprise. We need Nelson and Moore to provide instant depth and push Lattimer/Maggitt/Neal in order to shorten throwing time and pull some stress off the Interior.

    In the interior, Ruemp was my biggest surprise in 2010. He was the top performer and proved able to clog the middle consistently. If he continues to improve I am willing to bet our rush D surprises as well this fall. Laing and McD got meaningful minutes and decent stats proving to be solid 2nd men in the middle. I want to see them get stats like Ruemp's 10' #'s, which would be huge. The biggest ?, imo, is if Jerrod Black, Brandon Jensen, Woods, and/or any newcomers are able to provide any depth inside. We can't expect to line up with only 3 reliable Down lineman and last the grind of a season.

    Any other thoughts or corrections?



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    Re: A Look at the DL in 2011

    Good analysis, I like to think that Nelson will compete for some time at the right end position. I think his year of prep is going to be very beneficial for him heading into this season.




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    Re: A Look at the DL in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by delt4cy View Post
    After all of the DL recruitment bickering, I thought it would be refreshing to step back and discuss what we already have for 2011. At first glance it looks like the depth appears a bit thin, but I'm optimistic about the talent returning and the experience this group has had over the past two years. I've put together a list to show what we have to line the trenches in 2011 with the most important DL stats imo.

    From the 2010 depth chart w/ stats:

    Pos. Tot.tack/Sacks/QB hurries.

    LE:
    Lattimer SR 39/4/5
    Neal SR 29/1/2
    Scott SO 2/0/0

    DT:
    Laing JR 15/0/2
    Black SR

    NG:
    Ruemp SR 33/2.5/0
    McDonough JR 17/1/3

    RE:
    Maggitt JR 30/0/1
    Moore SO

    Add in:

    Nelson at DE
    Kron at DE(?)
    and
    Woods DL
    Jensen DL

    Thoughts-

    The experience at DE is solid but the production needs to improve. This is the first time I can remember that there will be a solid 5man+ rotation at the ends. I think this group will really surprise. We need Nelson and Moore to provide instant depth and push Lattimer/Maggitt/Neal in order to shorten throwing time and pull some stress off the Interior.

    In the interior, Ruemp was my biggest surprise in 2010. He was the top performer and proved able to clog the middle consistently. If he continues to improve I am willing to bet our rush D surprises as well this fall. Laing and McD got meaningful minutes and decent stats proving to be solid 2nd men in the middle. I want to see them get stats like Ruemp's 10' #'s, which would be huge. The biggest ?, imo, is if Jerrod Black, Brandon Jensen, Woods, and/or any newcomers are able to provide any depth inside. We can't expect to line up with only 3 reliable Down lineman and last the grind of a season.

    Any other thoughts or corrections?
    FAIL. Stop clouding the issue with facts. We all know the sky is falling.

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    Re: A Look at the DL in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by VeloClone View Post
    FAIL. Stop clouding the issue with facts. We all know the sky is falling.

    Signed,

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    Fact is we haven't seen the majority of these guys on the field yet. And considering that our DTs were not the most productive group in the NCAA, that doesn't make me feel great.

    Also, I am not worried about next year. Look two years down the road and tell me you like what we will have on the roster then. Do you think Rhoads will suddenly be able to get Gerald McCoy like 5 star DTs to start as true freshman?



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    Re: A Look at the DL in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by delt4cy View Post
    After all of the DL recruitment bickering, I thought it would be refreshing to step back and discuss what we already have for 2011. At first glance it looks like the depth appears a bit thin, but I'm optimistic about the talent returning and the experience this group has had over the past two years. I've put together a list to show what we have to line the trenches in 2011 with the most important DL stats imo.

    From the 2010 depth chart w/ stats:

    Pos. Tot.tack/Sacks/QB hurries.

    LE:
    Lattimer SR 39/4/5
    Neal SR 29/1/2
    Scott SO 2/0/0

    DT:
    Laing JR 15/0/2
    Black SR

    NG:
    Ruemp SR 33/2.5/0
    McDonough JR 17/1/3

    RE:
    Maggitt JR 30/0/1
    Moore SO
    You're right in that we have a lot of experience returning as we only lost two seniors (Bailey Johnson with 20 tackles and 0.5 sacks and Rashawn Parker with 30 tackles and 0 sacks).

    But to put things in perspective, the 9 guys that return from last season had a combined 165 tackles and 8.5 sacks last year. By comparison, ISU's four DL starters in 2005 (Berryman, Curvey, Leaders and Moorhead) had a combined 208 tackles and 25 sacks all by themselves in just one season.

    So we have experience returning, but are they good enough to win games in the Big 12? We'll have to wait and see but I'd feel better if we had some Jucos to push the returning guys for playing time.



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    Re: A Look at the DL in 2011

    In 2011 the DL isnt' going to dominate games, the LBs and DBs will do their best at that. But, if the DL can prove to be a sufficient crew and not let teams gash runs consistently up the middle and get better pressure on the QB, this D could be a very salty group.

    I think we have the pieces to make this happen in 2011....but, just 1 injury or little improvement out of Laing and McD and you can throw that out the window. Wally and Rhoads have little margin of error here.



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    Re: A Look at the DL in 2011

    Wait, we have 6 guys to play the interior? I thought we didn't have anyone besides Rump and Jake?

    But, but, we needed a Juco DT to come in and save them (even though most JUCO's don't have an impact until year 2.)



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    Re: A Look at the DL in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by StLouisClone View Post
    You're right in that we have a lot of experience returning as we only lost two seniors (Bailey Johnson with 20 tackles and 0.5 sacks and Rashawn Parker with 30 tackles and 0 sacks).

    But to put things in perspective, the 9 guys that return from last season had a combined 165 tackles and 8.5 sacks last year. By comparison, ISU's four DL starters in 2005 (Berryman, Curvey, Leaders and Moorhead) had a combined 208 tackles and 25 sacks all by themselves in just one season.

    So we have experience returning, but are they good enough to win games in the Big 12? We'll have to wait and see but I'd feel better if we had some Jucos to push the returning guys for playing time.
    That DL was downright nasty, probably the best I've seen at ISU. The flipside IMO, is that the 2011 D has a little bit better overall talent at LB and DB. If they can improve from 2010, I'll be excited.



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    Re: A Look at the DL in 2011

    Who knows what can happen over the course of the next four to five years with the positions that our young guys will play. The staff is recruiting players that have the athleticism and speed to play multiple positions at the BCS level. To expect that there won't be any player movement is myopic.

    This years class includes two defensive ends:
    David Irving DE
    Nick Kron DE

    You also have three players that have the frames and athleticism to potentially develop into defensive linemen.

    Athletes:
    Devin Lemke 6-4 213
    JQ Daniels 6-4 218

    LB
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    I have no idea if any of these players will move to positions other then what they are currently listed, but I can guarantee you that they are all competitors, and if they later realize that their best chance to get on the field is at a position other then where they started, they will most likely do what is necessary to get on the field.



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    Re: A Look at the DL in 2011

    if we couldn't get our hands on anyone as good or better or more potential than what we already have, then why recruit the guy?



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    Re: A Look at the DL in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by delt4cy View Post
    That DL was downright nasty, probably the best I've seen at ISU. The flipside IMO, is that the 2011 D has a little bit better overall talent at LB and DB. If they can improve from 2010, I'll be excited.
    So you're willing to say that Jake Knott & AJ Klein are better than Tim Dobbins, Matt Robertson, Adam Carper and Alvin Bowen and that the secondary, which has zero experience at safety is better tham Steve Paris, Nik Moser, LeMarcus Hicks and DeAndre Jackson?


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    Re: A Look at the DL in 2011

    I think LJ, Benton, and Reeves are a better CB group than Hicks and Jackson. Close and probably could be argued both ways.

    Safety 2005 was better.

    I think Knott and Klein are better than the Dobbins/Robertson/Carper combo. I assume they have more speed and play better laterally. Dobbins was the utlimate Inside backer and dominated the run but was able to be exposed on the pass (btw Dobbins is my favorite Defensive player of the last 10 years). Big 12 offenses are much different now, which is why I think our DB/LB lineup is overall better prepared to help out the DL.

    Regardless, the point I'm trying to make is that we don't need the DL to win games, just take a little pressure off of the strength of the D and I think they can do that.



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    Re: A Look at the DL in 2011

    This is one of the saddest crop of defensive linemen I have ever seen at Iowa State. Im not trying to put these guys down or anything like that, but guys we just witnessed these guys last year. What makes you think they will be a sacking raging machine, point of attack, not get pushed off the ball by 3 yards when the ball is snapped (Iowa game in particular) players? It is going to be the exaxt same stuff, get use to it untill we actually bring in some defensive line guys.



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    Re: A Look at the DL in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by EYEoftheSTORM View Post
    Good analysis, I like to think that Nelson will compete for some time at the right end position. I think his year of prep is going to be very beneficial for him heading into this season.
    According to Lattimer, Nelson will be starting next year.



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    Re: A Look at the DL in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by TitanClone View Post
    According to Lattimer, Nelson will be starting next year.
    Anyone know how good Nelson is? I haven't seen any film of him.



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