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    Question for the Officials out there

    I will apologize if this has already been covered somewhere, but I wanted to get the view of some of the basketball officials who regularly post here.

    Would any of you have called a foul on the contact on Scotty during the full court pass with 0.4 sec left in regulation?

    I'm not griping about it, I just want to know if it is a call that anyone would make. He did take quite a shot.

    And before anyone says it, yes, I know, it should have never gotten to the point where any of that mattered.

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    Re: Question for the Officials out there

    at that point I was busy throwing my remote against the wall so I didn't get a good look at it.

    I will say that the officiating in that game was inconsistant from start to finish. which, given my normal support of officials should tell you a lot.

    there was a layup by SC that he barely got touched on that resulted in at trip to the FT line for him with about 3 mins left - so its not like it was against us the whole time, just really inconsistant.



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    Re: Question for the Officials out there

    Quote Originally Posted by clones_jer View Post
    at that point I was busy throwing my remote against the wall so I didn't get a good look at it.

    I will say that the officiating in that game was inconsistant from start to finish. which, given my normal support of officials should tell you a lot.

    there was a layup by SC that he barely got touched on that resulted in at trip to the FT line for him with about 3 mins left - so its not like it was against us the whole time, just really inconsistant.
    You must have been abusing that remote for a long time because I am talking about when they threw the ball full court and didn't touch it so ISU got the ball back under their own basket with a chance for a tip in. If you get a chance to see it, Scotty got landed on; they just about took his head off.

    And, yes, that comment about the officiating does say a lot coming from you.

    Thanks for the response.


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    Re: Question for the Officials out there

    Quote Originally Posted by VeloClone View Post
    You must have been abusing that remote for a long time because I am talking about when they threw the ball full court and didn't touch it so ISU got the ball back under their own basket with a chance for a tip in. If you get a chance to see it, Scotty got landed on; they just about took his head off.

    And, yes, that comment about the officiating does say a lot coming from you.

    Thanks for the response.
    He got nailed. Unfortunately, I probably would have followed conventional wisdom and sucked on my whistle. It's just not a call you want to make, and that is wrong. As officials we're guilty of allowing it to get to this point -- where you have to murder someone to get a foul called in the final seconds -- and it is up to us to change it. But it has to be everyone, and that is a hard thing to accomplish.



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    Re: Question for the Officials out there

    Quote Originally Posted by ruxCYtable View Post
    He got nailed. Unfortunately, I probably would have followed conventional wisdom and sucked on my whistle. It's just not a call you want to make, and that is wrong. As officials we're guilty of allowing it to get to this point -- where you have to murder someone to get a foul called in the final seconds -- and it is up to us to change it. But it has to be everyone, and that is a hard thing to accomplish.
    Kinda what I thought, that is why I wasn't ******** about it.

    Thanks for the candid response.


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    Re: Question for the Officials out there

    Quote Originally Posted by ruxCYtable View Post
    He got nailed. Unfortunately, I probably would have followed conventional wisdom and sucked on my whistle. It's just not a call you want to make, and that is wrong. As officials we're guilty of allowing it to get to this point -- where you have to murder someone to get a foul called in the final seconds -- and it is up to us to change it. But it has to be everyone, and that is a hard thing to accomplish.
    Which is why the moving screen foul against JVB at the end of the first half was complete BS.


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    Re: Question for the Officials out there

    to tell you the truth I must've missed that entire play - I'm a little confused, we got the ball with like 6 secs left, DG took the pass in the backcourt and we failed to take a shot and it went to OT right? maybe I got up and poured a drink at that point and missed the last half second play out. I really needed that drink.



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    Re: Question for the Officials out there

    Quote Originally Posted by clones_jer View Post
    to tell you the truth I must've missed that entire play - I'm a little confused, we got the ball with like 6 secs left, DG took the pass in the backcourt and we failed to take a shot and it went to OT right? maybe I got up and poured a drink at that point and missed the last half second play out. I really needed that drink.
    We got a shot clock violation, they had the ball with .4, then they passed the length of the court and out of bounds (and Scottie got hammered there), so we got it back with .4.



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    Re: Question for the Officials out there

    Quote Originally Posted by cycloneG View Post
    Which is why the moving screen foul against JVB at the end of the first half was complete BS.
    on the possession previous we pushed someone (I think it was JVB doing it) on the baseline and got away with it ... I remember thinking the ref probably missed it and was looking for anything to get on JVB after that.

    for the record he was moving on a blind screen - though the contact was pretty minimal.

    that's not the way you're supposed to do it, but its hard to convince the subconsious of that.



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    Re: Question for the Officials out there

    Quote Originally Posted by clones_jer View Post
    to tell you the truth I must've missed that entire play - I'm a little confused, we got the ball with like 6 secs left, DG took the pass in the backcourt and we failed to take a shot and it went to OT right? maybe I got up and poured a drink at that point and missed the last half second play out. I really needed that drink.
    I wish you would have poured me a double.


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    Re: Question for the Officials out there

    Agreed on the inconsistencies.

    I think the biggest issue with keeping things consistent is the 3 officials calling things differently in different spots on the floor. Since the rotate around from possession to possession and even within a possession it can really make it difficult for the players to understand what the refs are calling.

    For instance, one ref may be more likely to call moving screens that are more obvious on the perimeter, one may be more likely to call a hand check or a carry, one may let more things go in block/charge situations, etc... Really messes things up and it is difficult for refs to get on the same page too, if they are even trying. It would be ideal if each ref would have the same area at each end of the floor...but that isn't very practical.




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    Re: Question for the Officials out there

    From an officiating standpoint, the entire game went like this: bad call, make-up call, coach thinks it's a bad call, make-up call, bad call, make-up call, etc. For example, the moving screen called late in the half on us was a make-up call after Capel complained about the last call on OU.



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    Re: Question for the Officials out there

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ4ISU View Post
    From an officiating standpoint, the entire game went like this: bad call, make-up call, coach thinks it's a bad call, make-up call, bad call, make-up call, etc. For example, the moving screen called late in the half on us was a make-up call after Capel complained about the last call on OU.
    It did seem like there were alot of make-up calls.

    I got the sense that the calls themselves did not impact the outcome of the game, but definitely made the players on both sides a little more tentative not knowing what to expect.



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    Re: Question for the Officials out there

    It was about as animated I as have seen Hoiberg towards the officials. He was visible upset numerous times and I got the feeling if the score had gotte out of hand we might have seen his first T.

    The 10 second call - which was clearly a violation as it was showing 25 on the shot clock - was really bad. I know its on the refs count but when you have visual evidence like that it really makes them look stupid.



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    Re: Question for the Officials out there

    Quote Originally Posted by J-Diggy View Post
    It was about as animated I as have seen Hoiberg towards the officials. He was visible upset numerous times and I got the feeling if the score had gotte out of hand we might have seen his first T.

    The 10 second call - which was clearly a violation as it was showing 25 on the shot clock - was really bad. I know its on the refs count but when you have visual evidence like that it really makes them look stupid.
    In theory, 25 on the shot clock doesn't mean 10 seconds. 25.0 would mean 10 seconds. 25.1 would only be 9.9. 24 would be the clear cut...



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