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    Redshirting Hoopsters

    Interesting. I was thinking the other night, during the game, just what it might be like of Diante had been able to redshirt as a freshman--as he doubtless should have. He has made such huge strides over much maligned years, that I cannot help but think how perfectly he would fit into next year's team.

    Of course, that's simply a pipe dream, because even if Diante did have another years of eligibility, it seems to me that it would certainly behoove him to leave early for the NBA following this season anyway. Ah well.

    Thinking about "needed" redshirts, however, made me wonder where Antwan Oliver had transferred to--and just how good a player he might become in two or three years. Redshirting him was clearly the right thing to do.

    For that matter, it made me think about how much Eric McKnight also needed a redshirt--and wondering if, in another three years, we might be wishing that he had been availed that redshirt season as well. Of course, much like DG, it may well prove that he wouldn't have used the fifth season in any case.




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    Re: Redshirting Hoopsters

    If McKnight is on the team next year, I think he gets that redshirt. There is no PT for him on next years team, and he's not needed for emergency depth.



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    Re: Redshirting Hoopsters

    I don't think that 4 years ago anyone could have predicted where the program would be right now and what our lineups - this year and next - would look like to know how well DG might fit into the program at this point.



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    Re: Redshirting Hoopsters

    I don't think that 4 years ago anyone could have predicted where the program would be right now and what our lineups - this year and next - would look like to know how well DG might fit into the program at this point.

    Exactly. The attrition during the McDermott regime makes any sort of guessing game as to whether or not any redshirt years effective or needed a pure game of speculation.

    That being said it is hard for me to remember in recent history another players besides DG who has improved so much from one season ago. If he can keep it up during the rest of the conference season I can see him getting all-conference status, at the very least honorable mention.


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    Re: Redshirting Hoopsters

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUChippewa View Post
    I don't think that 4 years ago anyone could have predicted where the program would be right now and what our lineups - this year and next - would look like to know how well DG might fit into the program at this point.

    Exactly. The attrition during the McDermott regime makes any sort of guessing game as to whether or not any redshirt years effective or needed a pure game of speculation.

    That being said it is hard for me to remember in recent history another players besides DG who has improved so much from one season ago. If he can keep it up during the rest of the conference season I can see him getting all-conference status, at the very least honorable mention.
    If he continues on his current pace, he better be getting 1st team all-conference. Right now he is 6th in scoring, 1st in assists (22 more than 2nd), 5th in assist-turnover ratio, and 3rd in steals. If thats not 1st team all-conference, I don't know what is.



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    Re: Redshirting Hoopsters

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUChippewa View Post
    I don't think that 4 years ago anyone could have predicted where the program would be right now and what our lineups - this year and next - would look like to know how well DG might fit into the program at this point.

    Exactly. The attrition during the McDermott regime makes any sort of guessing game as to whether or not any redshirt years effective or needed a pure game of speculation.

    That being said it is hard for me to remember in recent history another players besides DG who has improved so much from one season ago. If he can keep it up during the rest of the conference season I can see him getting all-conference status, at the very least honorable mention.
    I think part of it is improvement, but there is also Hoiberg letting DG play his type of game. The biggest improvment I see is shooting, but DG could always been able to dribble penetrate and dish, its just McD never wanted him to do that in his offense. He was used to having PGs like Brooks McKowen, who might as well have had his shoes poured from cement.



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    Quote Originally Posted by azepp View Post
    I don't think that 4 years ago anyone could have predicted where the program would be right now and what our lineups - this year and next - would look like to know how well DG might fit into the program at this point.
    By playing the last three years, he is able to handle the pressure better this year. The big change is that Fred lets him shoot from outside three feet whereas the previous coach did not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneJames View Post
    If he continues on his current pace, he better be getting 1st team all-conference. Right now he is 6th in scoring, 1st in assists (22 more than 2nd), 5th in assist-turnover ratio, and 3rd in steals. If that's not 1st team all-conference, I don't know what is.
    We still need to win 6-8 games to get him the votes. Beating OSU would help. Looks like he is sneaky fast and can get the ball high in the air when he goes flying in. He looks to have a nice wingspan. He also is very clever in that he dribbles many different ways to confuse the defender. By the end of the game, the defender realizes that DG is one tough guy to press.


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    Re: Redshirting Hoopsters

    Mcknight could actually get a redshirt for this year depending on the amount of minutes he ends up logging. There is a certain percentage of minutes the NCAA will look at, it would be the same as when a player gets injured like 10 games in and doesnt play the rest of the season is rewarded another year of eligibility. I believe that is why the coaching staff doesn't put him in to close out some of these games.



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    Re: Redshirting Hoopsters

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCyclone06 View Post
    Mcknight could actually get a redshirt for this year depending on the amount of minutes he ends up logging. There is a certain percentage of minutes the NCAA will look at, it would be the same as when a player gets injured like 10 games in and doesnt play the rest of the season is rewarded another year of eligibility. I believe that is why the coaching staff doesn't put him in to close out some of these games.
    I hope so. This year would seem like the waste of a year given how little he has actually played.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCyclone06 View Post
    Mcknight could actually get a redshirt for this year depending on the amount of minutes he ends up logging. There is a certain percentage of minutes the NCAA will look at, it would be the same as when a player gets injured like 10 games in and doesnt play the rest of the season is rewarded another year of eligibility. I believe that is why the coaching staff doesn't put him in to close out some of these games.
    If you play 1 min you cannot get a redshirt unless you get injured.


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    Re: Redshirting Hoopsters

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCyclone06 View Post
    Mcknight could actually get a redshirt for this year depending on the amount of minutes he ends up logging. There is a certain percentage of minutes the NCAA will look at, it would be the same as when a player gets injured like 10 games in and doesnt play the rest of the season is rewarded another year of eligibility. I believe that is why the coaching staff doesn't put him in to close out some of these games.
    I don't believe this is true unless he actually gets injured.



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    Re: Redshirting Hoopsters

    Some think using a redshirt at this level is a waste of a spot and if you use it on a player there is a question if he should even be playing at this level.


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    Re: Redshirting Hoopsters

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    Some think using a redshirt at this level is a waste of a spot and if you use it on a player there is a question if he should even be playing at this level.
    I tend to agree with this line of thinking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by azepp View Post
    I don't think that 4 years ago anyone could have predicted where the program would be right now and what our lineups - this year and next - would look like to know how well DG might fit into the program at this point.
    Not referring to that whatsoever. I was referring to the fact that, as a true freshman DG was as skinny as a rail, and clearly overmatched in the limited minutes he was on the floor.

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCyclone06 View Post
    Mcknight could actually get a redshirt for this year depending on the amount of minutes he ends up logging.
    As previously mentioned, not unless he gets injured. And that injury has to occur early in the season, not the middle of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    Some think using a redshirt at this level is a waste of a spot and if you use it on a player there is a question if he should even be playing at this level.
    Yeah, I guess that redshirting a whole class hasn't worked for, say, Nebraska.




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