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    Computer Rankings Update (thru 1/8)

    Another update on the KenPom & ESPN RPI ranks, I plan on an updated thread after each of our games... The number in parentheses is the change since our last game, with 'NC' indicating no change.

    A brief note, both the RPI and KenPom rankings suggested that we should have lost last night, thus with a loss by only 1 our rankings were really not affected. And with a road game against a decent team, our SOS was greatly improved.

    The update from the KenPom rankings through the loss at Nebraska:

    National Ranking: 44th (NC)
    Big 12 Ranking: 10th (-2)

    Projected Conference Record: 7-9 (NC)
    Projected Overall Record: 20-11 (NC)

    SOS: 301st (+15)

    Records:
    0-0 vs Top 25, 0-1 vs Top 50, and 3-2 vs Top 100


    An update from the ESPN RPI through the loss at Nebraska:

    RPI Rank: 89th (+12)
    Lunardi Preferred RPI Rank: 22nd (-12)

    SOS: 262nd (+46)

    Offensive Quotient: 37th (-1)
    Defensive Quotient: 16th (+2)
    Adjusted Scoring Margin: 12th (+1)

    RPI Records: 0-0 vs Top 25, 0-1 vs Top 50, and 1-1 vs Top 100


    Sagarin Computer Rankings
    He features three rankings, an overall, an ELO which is based off the RPI formula that only winning and losing matters and does not take into account margin of victory/defeat, and a Predictor which does take into account margin of victory/defeat.

    Overall: 55th
    ELO: 81st
    Predictor: 40th

    SOS: 335th

    Records: 0-0 vs Top 25, 0-0 vs Top 50


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    Re: ESPN RPI & KenPom Update (thru 1/8)

    And that is why you can't trust the RPI numbers in the non conference season, we go up 12 spots even after a loss against a conference opponent.



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    Re: ESPN RPI & KenPom Update (thru 1/8)

    Quote Originally Posted by SvrWxCy View Post
    Another update on the KenPom & ESPN RPI ranks, I plan on an updated thread after each of our games... The number in parentheses is the change since our last game, with 'NC' indicating no change.

    A brief note, both the RPI and KenPom rankings suggested that we should have lost last night, thus with a loss by only 1 our rankings were really not affected. And with a road game against a decent team, our SOS was greatly improved.

    The update from the KenPom rankings through the loss at Nebraska:

    National Ranking: 44th (NC)
    Big 12 Ranking: 10th (-2)

    Projected Conference Record: 7-9 (NC)
    Projected Overall Record: 20-11 (NC)

    SOS: 301st (+15)

    Records:
    0-0 vs Top 25, 0-1 vs Top 50, and 3-2 vs Top 100



    An update from the ESPN RPI through the loss at Nebraska:

    RPI Rank: 89th (+12)
    Lunardi Preferred RPI Rank: 22nd (-12)

    SOS: 262nd (+46)

    Offensive Quotient: 37th (-1)
    Defensive Quotient: 16th (+2)
    Adjusted Scoring Margin: 12th (+1)

    RPI Records: 0-0 vs Top 25, 0-1 vs Top 50, and 1-1 vs Top 100
    I get why RPI is important since it's actually used in part by the selection committee. I don't get the love for KenPom's rankings vs. Sagarin's basketball rankings.

    Does anybody really think Nebraska is 36th best when they barely beat us and they have yet to play a single road game? Kenpom has them at 36, Sagarin has them at 57.

    I don't get the growing love for the guy's system, every time I check out anything on there Sagarin seems to have it much closer to reality. Same for RPI vs. Sagarin but like I said RPI means something because it actually gets used.



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    Re: ESPN RPI & KenPom Update (thru 1/8)

    I went ahead an updated the rankings with the Sagarin computer rankings as well... If there are any other reliable rankings that you would like to see after each game let me know and I'll see if I can summarize them as well...

    Obviously RPI is the most important as it does hold value with the selection committee, however RPI does not take into account margin of victory in which parts of the other two rankings do. This can give you a little better idea of a teams rankings, in most situations...



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    Re: ESPN RPI & KenPom Update (thru 1/8)

    Quote Originally Posted by HFCS View Post
    I get why RPI is important since it's actually used in part by the selection committee. I don't get the love for KenPom's rankings vs. Sagarin's basketball rankings.

    Does anybody really think Nebraska is 36th best when they barely beat us and they have yet to play a single road game? Kenpom has them at 36, Sagarin has them at 57.

    I don't get the growing love for the guy's system, every time I check out anything on there Sagarin seems to have it much closer to reality. Same for RPI vs. Sagarin but like I said RPI means something because it actually gets used.

    I like kenpom better than the others because I understand his statistical analysis and I think it's the best one out there. He lays out all the advanced stats for a team, and for each player, in an easy to follow manner.

    like any statistical analysis, you need to understand what it is you are looking at and give it appropriate weight. None of the rankings are predictors of where the team will be at the end of the season, they are all rankings of how well the team has played so far.

    RPI and Sagarin both rank teams based on win/loss and maybe margin of error. Kenpom is the only one (that I know of ) to rank teams on a statistical analysis of how well they play, in his adjusted offensive and defensive efficiency metrics, rather than whether they won or lost.


    At this point in the season, I think it's completely reasonable to have Nebraska at 36.



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    Re: ESPN RPI & KenPom Update (thru 1/8)

    Not sure how to to links here, so.......

    http://showcase.netins.net/web/cygar...11-CYGARIN.xls



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