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    Type of football ...

    I wish ISU had a different offense. Simply because i dislike watching teams that are 100% shotgun, even on 4th and inches. Its terrible. Standford goes shotgun, but they also utilze the I formation, single back sets, etc...

    I prefer to watch Wisconsin, Nebraksa (this year not so much), and Iowa play instead of Oregon.

    Even Ohio State that has the pure running qb, goes under center and uses a full-back when needed.

    When Michigan scored 60 on Illinois this year it was ugly football to watch.

    So points or no points, if i had the choice of a great team that ran shotgun mixed with i formation, played great defense... or a 100% spread team like missou that is equally as good, id take the non spread any day of the week.

    i think we are behind the 8 ball once again. the best way to play is a combo of every style, used as needed.



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    Re: Type of football ...

    You can't run everything and expect to be good at it. You pick an offense and practice it to perfection.


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    Re: Type of football ...

    I dont know alot about blocking techniques, but I know Herman said that they ran all shotgun because it is easier to teach good blocking techniques from shotgun than to teach two different blocking styles (shotgun and under center) and not learn them as indepthly as he wanted.



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    Re: Type of football ...

    First off why is this in the MBB forum?

    Second our offense is predicated on spreading the defense and making them defend the entire field even on shortyardage situations. With the current roster if we line up and try to beat the defense with power we wil lose almost all of the time. ISU plays too many teams in the Big12 and Non-con with "better" atheletes. In order to compete on a regular basis our offensive scheme needs to be able to beat teams by "out-scheming" them.

    What is basically comes down to is execution, if our offense was as good at executing as Oregon or the WVU teams that had Pat White and Steve Slaton no one would be ******** about our scheme.


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    Re: Type of football ...

    Heck yes I wish Iowa State could do what Nebraska did in the 90's. 4 plays in the play book, tell the defense which play you were running prior to the snap, still gain 20 yards on the option. Heck yeah, I'd go for that.

    Come on, Rhoads and Herman, why can't you convince the best athletes available each year to come to ISU to not start for 3 years so we can run this offense?



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    Re: Type of football ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tedcyclone View Post
    I wish ISU had a different offense. Simply because i dislike watching teams that are 100% shotgun, even on 4th and inches. Its terrible. Standford goes shotgun, but they also utilze the I formation, single back sets, etc...

    I prefer to watch Wisconsin, Nebraksa (this year not so much), and Iowa play instead of Oregon.
    See I am the complete opposite. I love watching Oregon type offenses and hate watching Wisconsin, Nebraska and Iowa types.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny34 View Post
    I dont know alot about blocking techniques, but I know Herman said that they ran all shotgun because it is easier to teach good blocking techniques from shotgun than to teach two different blocking styles (shotgun and under center) and not learn them as indepthly as he wanted.
    It has been two years now. Hope they can learn more stuff on blocking because we will need it.


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    Re: Type of football ...

    First off, i love the offense we run. I have always stuck up for Herman and probably always will. He is a very young and VERY smart offensive coach. People will shoot me down and what not, but we really do need his and Rhoad's recruits in here to make this thing work. I will bang that into everyones heads tell they pass out. Just wait and give it time. People hate hearing that, but hoenstly you kind of have to wait. This offense can very much put up 35 points a game. We are in year 3 and this thing should get smokin' a bit this year. As long as we get a smart QB(this is where it starts) that can toss a ball into WR's hands at a rate of about 67%.


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    Re: Type of football ...

    Quote Originally Posted by CykoAGR View Post
    First off why is this in the MBB forum?

    Second our offense is predicated on spreading the defense and making them defend the entire field even on shortyardage situations. With the current roster if we line up and try to beat the defense with power we wil lose almost all of the time. ISU plays too many teams in the Big12 and Non-con with "better" atheletes. In order to compete on a regular basis our offensive scheme needs to be able to beat teams by "out-scheming" them.

    What is basically comes down to is execution, if our offense was as good at executing as Oregon or the WVU teams that had Pat White and Steve Slaton no one would be ******** about our scheme.
    Are you saying our new qb needs a little more *********************** running speed?


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    Re: Type of football ...

    I'm not a fan of any team saying we are a "spread,west coast etc.. offense", Id rather not pigeonhole the offense. Look at RichRod and Bill Callahan, they hung their hat on a specific offense and went/are going down in flames with it. That being said, unfortunately we're not at a point where we can do whatever we want to opposing defenses. We have to make up the gap in speed/talent in other ways. I'm sure we may see some variations in our offense as the talent level improves and as the players get more experience in the offense.



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    Re: Type of football ...

    Well if we ever need a new OC why don't you just throw your hat in to the pool to get hired??



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    Re: Type of football ...

    I want an offense that scores a lot of points. Who really cares about anything else.



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    Re: Type of football ...

    Quote Originally Posted by isufbcurt View Post
    See I am the complete opposite. I love watching Oregon type offenses and hate watching Wisconsin, Nebraska and Iowa types.
    I'll second that.


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    Re: Type of football ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Clone9 View Post
    I want an offense that scores a lot of points. Who really cares about anything else.
    Sometimes you need certain offenses to score alot of points. A west coast or pro style usually is going to waste alot of clock and not score many...while a spread is trying to score on every play basically.


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    Re: Type of football ...

    I think the pro style offense is the best offense in football. But it's also the hardest to learn. Spread offenses are designed to rely on speed and quick decisions. There are few, if any presnap reads (not counting that goofy looking run to the line and then look towards the sideline to get the play). A prostyle quarterback is much harder to find, and even harder to find a really good one. When the NFL scouts talk about projecting spread qb's to the nfl they don't usually talk about lack of arm strength or accuracy, it's about the ability to read a defense before the snap and know exactly what the defense is trying to do.

    Also, the offensive line is more critical to the success of a prostyle team than it is for a spread team.



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